Fw: Re: Discuss

[Ian Livingston]

And then there's Chance, the gardner.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> And there's: "Chance is the fool's name for fate," the secret password
> from the Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers movie, The Gay Divorcee (1934).
>
> LK
>
> -----Forwarded Message-----
> From: Al Haidar **
> Sent: Feb 9, 2013 12:43 PM
> To: kelber at mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: Discuss
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> "A man's character isn't his fate; a man's fate is the joke that his life
> plays on his character." — Philip Roth, *Operation Shylock*:* A Confession
> * ...a rather appropriately paranoid offering from PR.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> Your "lazy" definition of fate sounds pretty much like my definition.
>>  Both are a far cry from "a man's character is his fate," which emphasizes
>> a single variable.  That may work for playwrights, but isn't much help
>> outside of the theater.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ian Livingston **
>> Sent: Feb 9, 2013 11:35 AM
>> To: kelber at mindspring.com
>> Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Subject: Re: Discuss
>>
>> Well, on the other hand, is fate a lazy way of referring to complexity
>> too great to succinctly reference? That would fit with Hindu, Buddhist,
>> Kantian, Spinozist frames of reference on the subject of fate. In which
>> case, all the variables that come together to shape us impel us to given
>> behavioristic styles, such as, for instance, dressing up in a pig suit to
>> score some hash, but we have always the capacity for novelty, like using
>> the pig suit to get laid along the way to the score.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>>> Don't really believe in any sort of deterministic Fate - there are too
>>> many incalculable and unpredictable variables.  At any rate, I'd say that
>>> what happens in Slothrop's life has more to do with the fact that he was
>>> experimented on as a baby, than anything to do with his friendly, and smart
>>> but hedonistic character.
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>> >Sent: Feb 9, 2013 8:30 AM
>>> >To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> >Subject: Discuss
>>> >
>>> >"A man's character is his fate" with special reference to Slothrop.
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
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