Discuss

[Markekohut]

What she said. 

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On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:26 PM, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by Golem Buddha.  A protective monster with a fat belly?  Slothrop withdrew; as protestors, anarchist or otherwise, sit down and go limp, he lay down and disappeared. How can They fuck with him if he's not out in the open fighting them.  I'd compare it to the leaderless structure of Occupy Wall Street.  It was lousy for decision-making, but much harder to fight for a system that had gotten comfortable via the FBI, COINTELPRO, etc. with scapegoating, ridiculing and/or assassinating leaders of the opposition.  How do They fight a leaderless movement?  How does anyone fight Capitalism, whose captains are diffuse individuals, none of whom can be held accountable for the entire system.  So much easier to rebel against a tsar or a president or a father figure; so much easier to put down a charismatic opposition leader.
> 
> Laura
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: David Morris 
> Sent: Feb 11, 2013 9:16 PM 
> To: "malignd at aol.com" 
> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" 
> Subject: Re: Discuss 
> 
> This withdrawal is the opposite of active opposition.
> Anarchy,  Is it active?.
> 
> On Monday, February 11, 2013, David Morris wrote:
>> Your take is too literal, too ScyFy, deterministic.  Think about Ps other character that disappeared, the mechanical duck.  As it gained aoutonomy, it faded from view.  Slothrup and duck, two manufactured creatures disappearing from view. Golum Buddhas.
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, February 11, 2013, wrote:
>>> Slothrop's body slowly was consumed by Imipolex G, turned into it.  He became transparent, invisible.  He was treated with it as the Baby Tyrone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> To: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:59 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Discuss
>>> 
>>> The difference between your take is universality.  Slothrup is much bigger than himself.  That's sort of why he had to fade away.  He is the elusive escape, as well as  inept revolutionary.  Pure and dumb.
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 10, 2013, wrote:
>>>> I don't disagree with any of this, but I don't see how it contradicts what I said about the events in Slothrop's life (as laid out in the book) have more to do with his eventual paranoid quest across Europe and his choosing to turn on, tune in, drop out.
>>>> 
>>>> LK
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: David Morris 
>>>> Sent: Feb 9, 2013 11:42 PM 
>>>> To: "kelber at mindspring.com" 
>>>> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" 
>>>> Subject: Re: Discuss 
>>>> 
>>>> Your fault with Slothrup's disappearance is too literal.  He transcends his creators by evaporating into the void,  Pointsman's biggest fear was the golum, the experiment gone awry.  Rogue.  So they would rather kill it than lose control of it.  Slothrup  evades, but not before becoming a Buddha.
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>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, February 9, 2013, wrote:
>>>>> Don't really believe in any sort of deterministic Fate - there are too many incalculable and unpredictable variables.  At any rate, I'd say that what happens in Slothrop's life has more to do with the fact that he was experimented on as a baby, than anything to do with his friendly, and smart but hedonistic character.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laura
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>>>> >Sent: Feb 9, 2013 8:30 AM
>>>>> >To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> >Subject: Discuss
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"A man's character is his fate" with special reference to Slothrop.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sent from my iPad
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