pynchon-l-digest V2 #9514

[ludd oafery]

Read the 9-11 Commission Report and discovered a growing inward Whisper
that Somebody was content to let those attacks Happen.

I'm not sure how this relates to Pynchon exactly... but I also see any
effluence of Paranoia as Appropriate in these sorts of casual P-List
discussions.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:42 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my reading, the distinction between paranoia and conspiracy theory in
> P's writings comes down to confidence. The conspiracy theorist has a
> determined worldview, whereas the (pynchonesque) paranoid has had those
> shackles cast off and is looking for a new anchor. Both seem equally awful.
> But I quiver a bit more in the face of someone with the confidence to state
> that they've sorted the universe out. Ivory-tower academic or manhole-cover
> welder.
>
> Pynchon's novels have always interested me because they're not
> confidence-man tricks, and the P-list is just as honest and hopeless and
> powered by wonder, which, as Descartes says, is the first of the passions.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, alice wellintown <
> alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, it is an open forum, so one is free to post whatever....and this
>> works well enough for what it's worth...has worked for those of us who
>> stick around or come and go...and, while I agree with Ian here, Bled & Co.
>> Is a list Nanny who tries cut off threads he doesn't like. For example, he
>> doesn't like Mark's tweet posts and he doesn't like lit-crit, anything he
>> considers too pedantic.
>>
>> As far as who knows P, well...as I've posted recently, as I'm reading
>> that corrupted pilgrim's guide, I'm astounding to see how wrong I think
>> some of the professional readers, people who have been reading and writing
>> about P for decades, are. That Hume, for example, argues that P advocates
>> violence, is, I think, a gross misreading.
>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
>>
>>> What? We're going to censor the anarchists and the paranoid? Hm.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Don Antenen <dantenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You make some enormous logical leaps in your reply.
>>>
>>> This is a list-serv for discussing Pynchon, so I assume all of us give a
>>> fat Fuck about his opinion. Still, he's a novelist, so I'm not sure what it
>>> means to 'trust' him. I guess I trust that his fiction will be good.
>>>
>>> The death of 3000+ at the hands of Islamist terrorists was a tragedy (a
>>> tragedy repeated on a smaller scale across the middle east every week). The
>>> idea that the event was planned or orchestrated by the US government (or
>>> Israeli government or both, depending on the conspiracy theory) is
>>> ludicrous. At this point, all of the various (contradictory) conspiracy
>>> theories about the event have been so thoroughly debunked that their
>>> proponents are not worth engaging with.
>>>
>>> If one denies illogical, bizarre conspiracy theories, it does not follow
>>> that one believes America to be "eternally good" or even momentarily good.
>>>
>>> I generally find Pynchon fans to be intelligent and interesting, so it's
>>> disappointing that such nonsense is given any quarter here.
>>>
>>> all the best,
>>> Donald
>>>
>>>    ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Don Antenen <dantenen at yahoo.com>
>>> *Cc:* "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:42 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #9514
>>>
>>> God I'm so fucking sorry to disappoint you, bro.
>>>
>>> What did I say.  That the buildings were built to be destroyed by their
>>> builders?
>>>
>>> Who gives a fat Fuck what Thomas Pynchon's opinion is?  If he wants to
>>> be a reet about it, then fair enough.  It's scary, I know.
>>>
>>> The question was how can we trust Pynchon.  The answer glued over your
>>> eyes is clearly : "Implictly."
>>>
>>> Mmmm, Oooohhhhhh, what's Pynchon's take on the falling towers?  Such a
>>> tragedy.  "We" would never do that to "ourselves".
>>>
>>> America is eternally Goooood.
>>>
>>> Right.  I'm sure Pynchon thinks that.  Why do you think he's been in
>>> hiding for 60
>>>
>>>
>
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