911 Prewarning

Wed Feb 27 17:20:46 CST 2013

I suspect Laura's point was that Les Mis had an anti-establishment
political point, as opposed to Argo.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> And, although I don't think it's a particularly salient point -- you think
> Les Mis had no political subtext?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm
> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>
>  Les Mis was a bad, often silly, piece of crap.  My opinion, as yours is
> yours.  I make no claims for the quality of Argo, but a lot of people
> seemed to like it, (the foreign press)  as many did Les Mis.  But
> government intervention?  Please ... don't make a fool of yourself.
>
>  It was not a good year for movies.  Lincoln was no great piece of work
> either.
>
> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does it
> have?
> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm
> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>
>  Was malignd one of them? That does kind of make sense.
>
> I've blocked Mad-a-line, and Bled. At first I just felt sorry for him/her
> because there's obviously some Problems there,
> it got to be too much however.
>
> Seriously I can't be the only one who Noticed Michelle Obama, her Royal
> Highness, backed by Dress Uniforms.
> Don't get me wrong I'm sure Michelle is as innocent as a dove, all it
> takes is Someone to suggest the idea.
>
> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does it
> have?
> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
> and gets the Royal Nod.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I have no alternate personalities -- don't know what would qualify them
>> as little -- and I post only to the p-list.  Problem seems to be with your
>> shitty email software.
>>
>> Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: ludd oafery <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>
>>  Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:46 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> another loon.
>>>
>>>
>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm
>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>
>>>   My husband had just parked a rental car on a rooftop garage several
>>> blocks from the trade center, when the first tower was already in flames,
>>> and he stood in a group of people who watched as an airplane seemed to fly
>>> straight towards them, banked, then hit the second tower.  Much as I often
>>> have squabbles with him, I pretty certain he's not now and never has been a
>>> Bush or CIA or Israeli government operative.
>>>
>>>  There's absolutely no contradiction between some extremely brilliant,
>>> brave, murderous, and sociopathic anti-American terrorists destroying the
>>> towers, and Cheney, Wolfowitz and Co. taking full political advantage of it.
>>>
>>>  As long as we're talking conspiracy theories, how about these:
>>>
>>>  1.  Why has the anthrax attack that followed 9/11 remained unsolved,
>>> virtually unexamined, and still rarely mentioned in the press?  My
>>> conspiracy theory: investigation would reveal that the US had, and has
>>> always had a bio-weapons program.  The press was strong-armed into silence
>>> by the State Department/Pentagon, as a matter of national security.
>>>
>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>
>>>  Laura
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonin Scriabin
>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 3:33 PM
>>> To: Ian Livingston
>>> Cc: Lemuel Underwing , Keith Davis , kelber at mindspring.com, pynchon -l
>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>
>>>  "selling the Iraq war"
>>>
>>>  This is one thing that seems pretty firmly established.  The Iraq war,
>>> from top to bottom, was / is a pretty scandalous disaster on the part of
>>> the Bush administration.  There are "weird things" about 9/11, but nothing
>>> we can no for sure.  I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment concerning
>>> trust of the media / government press releases.  Basically, we shouldn't
>>> have any.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, whether or not there were any conspiracies involved in 9/11 or in
>>>> selling the Iraq war, or in the Kennedy and King assassinations, I think we
>>>> owe it to our rational selves to doubt anything news media or government
>>>> news releases tell us. Listening to professional liars is like being
>>>> professionally gullible or something. I, for one, have a lot more questions
>>>> than I have understandings, and as far as certainties go, well, I'm not too
>>>> sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoring the issues of Controlled Demolition, remote-controlled flying
>>>>> (think drone), or any of that other stuff...
>>>>> I don't think it's nutty to claim that the Bush Administration had it
>>>>> on Good Authority that there were planned attacks on the World Trade
>>>>> Center, going so far as to Ignore explicit warnings by numerous
>>>>> Intelligence Agencies overseas.
>>>>> Hell, the Mossad (far from committing the attacks) actually warned the
>>>>> American Government in July of them, an Israeli Real Estate company even
>>>>> went so far as to break their lease in order to move out of the (south, i
>>>>> believe) tower.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  President Bush's (it seems to actually have been under Cheney)
>>>>> National Energy Policy Development Group had a series of top secret
>>>>> meetings shortly after Bush was sworn in....
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Klingons...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
>>>>>> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some claim there were no airplanes (the footage is faked), some
>>>>>>> claim the airplanes were a way to distract from the fact that it was a
>>>>>>> controlled demolition, etc.  You look hard enough, you will find ever
>>>>>>> possible conspiratorial angle ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've never understood: do the conspiracy theorists (sorry, nuts)
>>>>>>>> claim there were no airplanes?  Or that George Bush called the airlines and
>>>>>>>> got them to crash the airplanes?  Or that he rounded up some
>>>>>>>> Hollywood-issue terrorists to pose as real suicide bombers to crash the
>>>>>>>> airplanes into buildings pre-mined with explosives?  All in the service of
>>>>>>>> bringing down the value of some prime Manhattan real estate?  Wouldn't it
>>>>>>>> have been easier to just wait for the inevitable flu pandemic or climate
>>>>>>>> event and blame it on Iraq/Iran/whoever meddling?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: David Morris **
>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 2:44 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Richard Ryan **
>>>>>>>> Cc: Lewis Zhang **, Michael Bailey **, Pynchon-L **
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember a youtube video conspiracy screed theorizing that the
>>>>>>>> towers' fall was a controlled demolition, not caused by the jet impacts.
>>>>>>>>  Too clean, it argued.  But it didn't mention that controlled demo requires
>>>>>>>> explosives placed at columns throughout the building, not just in hidden
>>>>>>>> spaces, like closets.  They must have used invisible explosives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Richard Ryan <
>>>>>>>> richardonriver at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  One of the interesting unexplored reports surrounding 911 -
>>>>>>>>> there, doesn't on closer examination, appear to be much here other than
>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated hearsay, but it's odd that it never seems to have been
>>>>>>>>> thoroughly investigated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Odigo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've always been troubled by the discovery of Mohammed Atta's
>>>>>>>>> unscathed passport the day of the attack by A pedestrian.  Probably just
>>>>>>>>> one of those weird flukes but it's unsettling....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    **********
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
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>>>>
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