911 Prewarning

Wed Feb 27 17:27:52 CST 2013

No. I don't buy it.  But her point (I think) about the two different
political messages was a valid observation.  Not enough to convince.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> David --  gees, are you buying into this Washington fixed the oscars shit?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: MalignD at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>
> Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:20 pm
> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
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>  I suspect Laura's point was that Les Mis had an anti-establishment
> political point, as opposed to Argo.
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> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
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>> And, although I don't think it's a particularly salient point -- you
>> think Les Mis had no political subtext?
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>
>>  Les Mis was a bad, often silly, piece of crap.  My opinion, as yours is
>> yours.  I make no claims for the quality of Argo, but a lot of people
>> seemed to like it, (the foreign press)  as many did Les Mis.  But
>> government intervention?  Please ... don't make a fool of yourself.
>>
>>  It was not a good year for movies.  Lincoln was no great piece of work
>> either.
>>
>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does
>> it have?
>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>>  To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm
>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>
>>  Was malignd one of them? That does kind of make sense.
>>
>> I've blocked Mad-a-line, and Bled. At first I just felt sorry for him/her
>> because there's obviously some Problems there,
>> it got to be too much however.
>>
>> Seriously I can't be the only one who Noticed Michelle Obama, her Royal
>> Highness, backed by Dress Uniforms.
>> Don't get me wrong I'm sure Michelle is as innocent as a dove, all it
>> takes is Someone to suggest the idea.
>>
>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does
>> it have?
>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>> and gets the Royal Nod.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no alternate personalities -- don't know what would qualify them
>>> as little -- and I post only to the p-list.  Problem seems to be with your
>>> shitty email software.
>>>
>>> Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ludd oafery <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm
>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>
>>>  Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:46 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> another loon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>
>>>>    My husband had just parked a rental car on a rooftop garage several
>>>> blocks from the trade center, when the first tower was already in flames,
>>>> and he stood in a group of people who watched as an airplane seemed to fly
>>>> straight towards them, banked, then hit the second tower.  Much as I often
>>>> have squabbles with him, I pretty certain he's not now and never has been a
>>>> Bush or CIA or Israeli government operative.
>>>>
>>>>  There's absolutely no contradiction between some extremely brilliant,
>>>> brave, murderous, and sociopathic anti-American terrorists destroying the
>>>> towers, and Cheney, Wolfowitz and Co. taking full political advantage of it.
>>>>
>>>>  As long as we're talking conspiracy theories, how about these:
>>>>
>>>>  1.  Why has the anthrax attack that followed 9/11 remained unsolved,
>>>> virtually unexamined, and still rarely mentioned in the press?  My
>>>> conspiracy theory: investigation would reveal that the US had, and has
>>>> always had a bio-weapons program.  The press was strong-armed into silence
>>>> by the State Department/Pentagon, as a matter of national security.
>>>>
>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>
>>>>  Laura
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonin Scriabin
>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 3:33 PM
>>>> To: Ian Livingston
>>>> Cc: Lemuel Underwing , Keith Davis , kelber at mindspring.com, pynchon -l
>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>
>>>>  "selling the Iraq war"
>>>>
>>>>  This is one thing that seems pretty firmly established.  The Iraq war,
>>>> from top to bottom, was / is a pretty scandalous disaster on the part of
>>>> the Bush administration.  There are "weird things" about 9/11, but nothing
>>>> we can no for sure.  I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment concerning
>>>> trust of the media / government press releases.  Basically, we shouldn't
>>>> have any.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Ian Livingston <
>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, whether or not there were any conspiracies involved in 9/11 or
>>>>> in selling the Iraq war, or in the Kennedy and King assassinations, I think
>>>>> we owe it to our rational selves to doubt anything news media or government
>>>>> news releases tell us. Listening to professional liars is like being
>>>>> professionally gullible or something. I, for one, have a lot more questions
>>>>> than I have understandings, and as far as certainties go, well, I'm not too
>>>>> sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ignoring the issues of Controlled Demolition, remote-controlled
>>>>>> flying (think drone), or any of that other stuff...
>>>>>> I don't think it's nutty to claim that the Bush Administration had it
>>>>>> on Good Authority that there were planned attacks on the World Trade
>>>>>> Center, going so far as to Ignore explicit warnings by numerous
>>>>>> Intelligence Agencies overseas.
>>>>>> Hell, the Mossad (far from committing the attacks) actually warned
>>>>>> the American Government in July of them, an Israeli Real Estate company
>>>>>> even went so far as to break their lease in order to move out of the
>>>>>> (south, i believe) tower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  President Bush's (it seems to actually have been under Cheney)
>>>>>> National Energy Policy Development Group had a series of top secret
>>>>>> meetings shortly after Bush was sworn in....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Klingons...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
>>>>>>> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some claim there were no airplanes (the footage is faked), some
>>>>>>>> claim the airplanes were a way to distract from the fact that it was a
>>>>>>>> controlled demolition, etc.  You look hard enough, you will find ever
>>>>>>>> possible conspiratorial angle ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never understood: do the conspiracy theorists (sorry, nuts)
>>>>>>>>> claim there were no airplanes?  Or that George Bush called the airlines and
>>>>>>>>> got them to crash the airplanes?  Or that he rounded up some
>>>>>>>>> Hollywood-issue terrorists to pose as real suicide bombers to crash the
>>>>>>>>> airplanes into buildings pre-mined with explosives?  All in the service of
>>>>>>>>> bringing down the value of some prime Manhattan real estate?  Wouldn't it
>>>>>>>>> have been easier to just wait for the inevitable flu pandemic or climate
>>>>>>>>> event and blame it on Iraq/Iran/whoever meddling?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: David Morris **
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 2:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Ryan **
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Lewis Zhang **, Michael Bailey **, Pynchon-L **
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember a youtube video conspiracy screed theorizing that the
>>>>>>>>> towers' fall was a controlled demolition, not caused by the jet impacts.
>>>>>>>>>  Too clean, it argued.  But it didn't mention that controlled demo requires
>>>>>>>>> explosives placed at columns throughout the building, not just in hidden
>>>>>>>>> spaces, like closets.  They must have used invisible explosives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Richard Ryan <
>>>>>>>>> richardonriver at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  One of the interesting unexplored reports surrounding 911 -
>>>>>>>>>> there, doesn't on closer examination, appear to be much here other than
>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated hearsay, but it's odd that it never seems to have been
>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly investigated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Odigo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've always been troubled by the discovery of Mohammed Atta's
>>>>>>>>>> unscathed passport the day of the attack by A pedestrian.  Probably just
>>>>>>>>>> one of those weird flukes but it's unsettling....
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
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