911 Prewarning

Wed Feb 27 17:39:13 CST 2013

Like, for example, the political motivations behind selecting The Return of
the King as best picture in the depths of the Iraq war.
On Feb 27, 2013 6:37 PM, "Lemuel Underwing" <luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm, it was perhaps nothing more than a Reefer-side revelation--- but I
> can't help but find Funny the situation with Mrs. President and her Cadre
> of fresh-shaven service-folk...
> and you are certainly entitled to your opinion..
>
> (Seriously, Lincoln! What a woeful movie, Kushner is capable of more; It
> might as well be subtitled "How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love
> Political Corruption", it uses Capitol Hill Hucksters as comic relief...
> scenes where they are buying votes John Williams' Own Americana Fiddle
> Music plays joyfully in the background... yes well the THIRTEENTH AMENDMENT
> you might say,-- to which I need point out THE FOLLOWING TWO PRESIDENCIES
> and their corrupt ineptitude.)
>
> It's no secret that the Academy has been using their Best Picture category
> to make political statements, no Strong Arming necessary...?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No. I don't buy it.  But her point (I think) about the two different
>> political messages was a valid observation.  Not enough to convince.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David --  gees, are you buying into this Washington fixed the oscars
>>> shit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> To: MalignD at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>
>>> Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:20 pm
>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>
>>>  I suspect Laura's point was that Les Mis had an anti-establishment
>>> political point, as opposed to Argo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And, although I don't think it's a particularly salient point -- you
>>>> think Les Mis had no political subtext?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>
>>>>  Les Mis was a bad, often silly, piece of crap.  My opinion, as yours
>>>> is yours.  I make no claims for the quality of Argo, but a lot of people
>>>> seemed to like it, (the foreign press)  as many did Les Mis.  But
>>>> government intervention?  Please ... don't make a fool of yourself.
>>>>
>>>>  It was not a good year for movies.  Lincoln was no great piece of
>>>> work either.
>>>>
>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does
>>>> it have?
>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>>>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>>>>  To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>
>>>>  Was malignd one of them? That does kind of make sense.
>>>>
>>>> I've blocked Mad-a-line, and Bled. At first I just felt sorry for
>>>> him/her because there's obviously some Problems there,
>>>> it got to be too much however.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously I can't be the only one who Noticed Michelle Obama, her Royal
>>>> Highness, backed by Dress Uniforms.
>>>> Don't get me wrong I'm sure Michelle is as innocent as a dove, all it
>>>> takes is Someone to suggest the idea.
>>>>
>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message does
>>>> it have?
>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>>>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>> and gets the Royal Nod.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have no alternate personalities -- don't know what would qualify
>>>>> them as little -- and I post only to the p-list.  Problem seems to be with
>>>>> your shitty email software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ludd oafery <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>
>>>>>  Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:46 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> another loon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    My husband had just parked a rental car on a rooftop garage
>>>>>> several blocks from the trade center, when the first tower was already in
>>>>>> flames, and he stood in a group of people who watched as an airplane seemed
>>>>>> to fly straight towards them, banked, then hit the second tower.  Much as I
>>>>>> often have squabbles with him, I pretty certain he's not now and never has
>>>>>> been a Bush or CIA or Israeli government operative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There's absolutely no contradiction between some extremely
>>>>>> brilliant, brave, murderous, and sociopathic anti-American terrorists
>>>>>> destroying the towers, and Cheney, Wolfowitz and Co. taking full political
>>>>>> advantage of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  As long as we're talking conspiracy theories, how about these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  1.  Why has the anthrax attack that followed 9/11 remained
>>>>>> unsolved, virtually unexamined, and still rarely mentioned in the press?
>>>>>>  My conspiracy theory: investigation would reveal that the US had, and has
>>>>>> always had a bio-weapons program.  The press was strong-armed into silence
>>>>>> by the State Department/Pentagon, as a matter of national security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Antonin Scriabin
>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 3:33 PM
>>>>>> To: Ian Livingston
>>>>>> Cc: Lemuel Underwing , Keith Davis , kelber at mindspring.com, pynchon
>>>>>> -l
>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "selling the Iraq war"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This is one thing that seems pretty firmly established.  The Iraq
>>>>>> war, from top to bottom, was / is a pretty scandalous disaster on the part
>>>>>> of the Bush administration.  There are "weird things" about 9/11, but
>>>>>> nothing we can no for sure.  I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment
>>>>>> concerning trust of the media / government press releases.  Basically, we
>>>>>> shouldn't have any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Ian Livingston <
>>>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, whether or not there were any conspiracies involved in 9/11 or
>>>>>>> in selling the Iraq war, or in the Kennedy and King assassinations, I think
>>>>>>> we owe it to our rational selves to doubt anything news media or government
>>>>>>> news releases tell us. Listening to professional liars is like being
>>>>>>> professionally gullible or something. I, for one, have a lot more questions
>>>>>>> than I have understandings, and as far as certainties go, well, I'm not too
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ignoring the issues of Controlled Demolition, remote-controlled
>>>>>>>> flying (think drone), or any of that other stuff...
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's nutty to claim that the Bush Administration had
>>>>>>>> it on Good Authority that there were planned attacks on the World Trade
>>>>>>>> Center, going so far as to Ignore explicit warnings by numerous
>>>>>>>> Intelligence Agencies overseas.
>>>>>>>> Hell, the Mossad (far from committing the attacks) actually warned
>>>>>>>> the American Government in July of them, an Israeli Real Estate company
>>>>>>>> even went so far as to break their lease in order to move out of the
>>>>>>>> (south, i believe) tower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  President Bush's (it seems to actually have been under Cheney)
>>>>>>>> National Energy Policy Development Group had a series of top secret
>>>>>>>> meetings shortly after Bush was sworn in....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klingons...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
>>>>>>>>> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some claim there were no airplanes (the footage is faked), some
>>>>>>>>>> claim the airplanes were a way to distract from the fact that it was a
>>>>>>>>>> controlled demolition, etc.  You look hard enough, you will find ever
>>>>>>>>>> possible conspiratorial angle ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've never understood: do the conspiracy theorists (sorry, nuts)
>>>>>>>>>>> claim there were no airplanes?  Or that George Bush called the airlines and
>>>>>>>>>>> got them to crash the airplanes?  Or that he rounded up some
>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood-issue terrorists to pose as real suicide bombers to crash the
>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes into buildings pre-mined with explosives?  All in the service of
>>>>>>>>>>> bringing down the value of some prime Manhattan real estate?  Wouldn't it
>>>>>>>>>>> have been easier to just wait for the inevitable flu pandemic or climate
>>>>>>>>>>> event and blame it on Iraq/Iran/whoever meddling?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: David Morris **
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 2:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Ryan **
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Lewis Zhang **, Michael Bailey **, Pynchon-L **
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a youtube video conspiracy screed theorizing that the
>>>>>>>>>>> towers' fall was a controlled demolition, not caused by the jet impacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Too clean, it argued.  But it didn't mention that controlled demo requires
>>>>>>>>>>> explosives placed at columns throughout the building, not just in hidden
>>>>>>>>>>> spaces, like closets.  They must have used invisible explosives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Richard Ryan <
>>>>>>>>>>> richardonriver at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  One of the interesting unexplored reports surrounding 911 -
>>>>>>>>>>>> there, doesn't on closer examination, appear to be much here other than
>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated hearsay, but it's odd that it never seems to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly investigated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Odigo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always been troubled by the discovery of Mohammed Atta's
>>>>>>>>>>>> unscathed passport the day of the attack by A pedestrian.  Probably just
>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those weird flukes but it's unsettling....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    **********
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
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