911 Prewarning

Wed Feb 27 17:44:43 CST 2013

I was thinking more of the Hurt Locker... does anybody even remember that
one?

I think we have Happily Digressed as far away from the original Topic as we
should...

Here's some Rage-Fodder to realign ourselves: 9-11 was allowed to happen by
the U.S. Government. Dick Cheney rescheduled our Air Defense Squadrons to
run Cold War Era drills over the arctic. Also there were numerous
"Live-Fly" drills designed to imitate hijacked planes-- which is why NORAD
officials claimed, at one point, that there were over 14 hijacked planes in
that air on the morning of September 11---
Coincidence surely.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Antonin Scriabin
<kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>wrote:

> Like, for example, the political motivations behind selecting The Return
> of the King as best picture in the depths of the Iraq war.
>  On Feb 27, 2013 6:37 PM, "Lemuel Underwing" <luunderwing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hm, it was perhaps nothing more than a Reefer-side revelation--- but I
>> can't help but find Funny the situation with Mrs. President and her Cadre
>> of fresh-shaven service-folk...
>> and you are certainly entitled to your opinion..
>>
>> (Seriously, Lincoln! What a woeful movie, Kushner is capable of more; It
>> might as well be subtitled "How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love
>> Political Corruption", it uses Capitol Hill Hucksters as comic relief...
>> scenes where they are buying votes John Williams' Own Americana Fiddle
>> Music plays joyfully in the background... yes well the THIRTEENTH AMENDMENT
>> you might say,-- to which I need point out THE FOLLOWING TWO PRESIDENCIES
>> and their corrupt ineptitude.)
>>
>> It's no secret that the Academy has been using their Best Picture
>> category to make political statements, no Strong Arming necessary...?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No. I don't buy it.  But her point (I think) about the two different
>>> political messages was a valid observation.  Not enough to convince.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David --  gees, are you buying into this Washington fixed the oscars
>>>> shit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> To: MalignD at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:20 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>
>>>>  I suspect Laura's point was that Les Mis had an anti-establishment
>>>> political point, as opposed to Argo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And, although I don't think it's a particularly salient point -- you
>>>>> think Les Mis had no political subtext?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>
>>>>>  Les Mis was a bad, often silly, piece of crap.  My opinion, as yours
>>>>> is yours.  I make no claims for the quality of Argo, but a lot of people
>>>>> seemed to like it, (the foreign press)  as many did Les Mis.  But
>>>>> government intervention?  Please ... don't make a fool of yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>  It was not a good year for movies.  Lincoln was no great piece of
>>>>> work either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message
>>>>> does it have?
>>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>>>>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>>>>>  To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>
>>>>>  Was malignd one of them? That does kind of make sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've blocked Mad-a-line, and Bled. At first I just felt sorry for
>>>>> him/her because there's obviously some Problems there,
>>>>> it got to be too much however.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously I can't be the only one who Noticed Michelle Obama, her
>>>>> Royal Highness, backed by Dress Uniforms.
>>>>> Don't get me wrong I'm sure Michelle is as innocent as a dove, all it
>>>>> takes is Someone to suggest the idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message
>>>>> does it have?
>>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot of
>>>>> "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>>> and gets the Royal Nod.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no alternate personalities -- don't know what would qualify
>>>>>> them as little -- and I post only to the p-list.  Problem seems to be with
>>>>>> your shitty email software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ludd oafery <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:46 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> another loon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    My husband had just parked a rental car on a rooftop garage
>>>>>>> several blocks from the trade center, when the first tower was already in
>>>>>>> flames, and he stood in a group of people who watched as an airplane seemed
>>>>>>> to fly straight towards them, banked, then hit the second tower.  Much as I
>>>>>>> often have squabbles with him, I pretty certain he's not now and never has
>>>>>>> been a Bush or CIA or Israeli government operative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  There's absolutely no contradiction between some extremely
>>>>>>> brilliant, brave, murderous, and sociopathic anti-American terrorists
>>>>>>> destroying the towers, and Cheney, Wolfowitz and Co. taking full political
>>>>>>> advantage of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  As long as we're talking conspiracy theories, how about these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  1.  Why has the anthrax attack that followed 9/11 remained
>>>>>>> unsolved, virtually unexamined, and still rarely mentioned in the press?
>>>>>>>  My conspiracy theory: investigation would reveal that the US had, and has
>>>>>>> always had a bio-weapons program.  The press was strong-armed into silence
>>>>>>> by the State Department/Pentagon, as a matter of national security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Antonin Scriabin
>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 3:33 PM
>>>>>>> To: Ian Livingston
>>>>>>> Cc: Lemuel Underwing , Keith Davis , kelber at mindspring.com, pynchon
>>>>>>> -l
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "selling the Iraq war"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  This is one thing that seems pretty firmly established.  The Iraq
>>>>>>> war, from top to bottom, was / is a pretty scandalous disaster on the part
>>>>>>> of the Bush administration.  There are "weird things" about 9/11, but
>>>>>>> nothing we can no for sure.  I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment
>>>>>>> concerning trust of the media / government press releases.  Basically, we
>>>>>>> shouldn't have any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Ian Livingston <
>>>>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, whether or not there were any conspiracies involved in 9/11
>>>>>>>> or in selling the Iraq war, or in the Kennedy and King assassinations, I
>>>>>>>> think we owe it to our rational selves to doubt anything news media or
>>>>>>>> government news releases tell us. Listening to professional liars is like
>>>>>>>> being professionally gullible or something. I, for one, have a lot more
>>>>>>>> questions than I have understandings, and as far as certainties go, well,
>>>>>>>> I'm not too sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>>>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ignoring the issues of Controlled Demolition, remote-controlled
>>>>>>>>> flying (think drone), or any of that other stuff...
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's nutty to claim that the Bush Administration had
>>>>>>>>> it on Good Authority that there were planned attacks on the World Trade
>>>>>>>>> Center, going so far as to Ignore explicit warnings by numerous
>>>>>>>>> Intelligence Agencies overseas.
>>>>>>>>> Hell, the Mossad (far from committing the attacks) actually warned
>>>>>>>>> the American Government in July of them, an Israeli Real Estate company
>>>>>>>>> even went so far as to break their lease in order to move out of the
>>>>>>>>> (south, i believe) tower.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  President Bush's (it seems to actually have been under Cheney)
>>>>>>>>> National Energy Policy Development Group had a series of top secret
>>>>>>>>> meetings shortly after Bush was sworn in....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Klingons...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
>>>>>>>>>> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some claim there were no airplanes (the footage is faked), some
>>>>>>>>>>> claim the airplanes were a way to distract from the fact that it was a
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled demolition, etc.  You look hard enough, you will find ever
>>>>>>>>>>> possible conspiratorial angle ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never understood: do the conspiracy theorists (sorry,
>>>>>>>>>>>> nuts) claim there were no airplanes?  Or that George Bush called the
>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines and got them to crash the airplanes?  Or that he rounded up some
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood-issue terrorists to pose as real suicide bombers to crash the
>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes into buildings pre-mined with explosives?  All in the service of
>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing down the value of some prime Manhattan real estate?  Wouldn't it
>>>>>>>>>>>> have been easier to just wait for the inevitable flu pandemic or climate
>>>>>>>>>>>> event and blame it on Iraq/Iran/whoever meddling?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David Morris **
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 2:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Ryan **
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Lewis Zhang **, Michael Bailey **, Pynchon-L **
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a youtube video conspiracy screed theorizing that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the towers' fall was a controlled demolition, not caused by the jet
>>>>>>>>>>>> impacts.  Too clean, it argued.  But it didn't mention that controlled demo
>>>>>>>>>>>> requires explosives placed at columns throughout the building, not just in
>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden spaces, like closets.  They must have used invisible explosives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Richard Ryan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> richardonriver at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One of the interesting unexplored reports surrounding 911 -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there, doesn't on closer examination, appear to be much here other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated hearsay, but it's odd that it never seems to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly investigated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Odigo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always been troubled by the discovery of Mohammed Atta's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unscathed passport the day of the attack by A pedestrian.  Probably just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those weird flukes but it's unsettling....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    **********
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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