911 Prewarning

Wed Feb 27 17:49:48 CST 2013

Wow, I had actually forgotten about The Hurt Locker... what a terrible
movie.  Was Zero Dark Thirty any better? It looked like more overt
propaganda than usual.
On Feb 27, 2013 6:44 PM, "Lemuel Underwing" <luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was thinking more of the Hurt Locker... does anybody even remember that
> one?
>
> I think we have Happily Digressed as far away from the original Topic as
> we should...
>
> Here's some Rage-Fodder to realign ourselves: 9-11 was allowed to happen
> by the U.S. Government. Dick Cheney rescheduled our Air Defense Squadrons
> to run Cold War Era drills over the arctic. Also there were numerous
> "Live-Fly" drills designed to imitate hijacked planes-- which is why NORAD
> officials claimed, at one point, that there were over 14 hijacked planes in
> that air on the morning of September 11---
> Coincidence surely.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like, for example, the political motivations behind selecting The Return
>> of the King as best picture in the depths of the Iraq war.
>>  On Feb 27, 2013 6:37 PM, "Lemuel Underwing" <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hm, it was perhaps nothing more than a Reefer-side revelation--- but I
>>> can't help but find Funny the situation with Mrs. President and her Cadre
>>> of fresh-shaven service-folk...
>>> and you are certainly entitled to your opinion..
>>>
>>> (Seriously, Lincoln! What a woeful movie, Kushner is capable of more; It
>>> might as well be subtitled "How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love
>>> Political Corruption", it uses Capitol Hill Hucksters as comic relief...
>>> scenes where they are buying votes John Williams' Own Americana Fiddle
>>> Music plays joyfully in the background... yes well the THIRTEENTH AMENDMENT
>>> you might say,-- to which I need point out THE FOLLOWING TWO PRESIDENCIES
>>> and their corrupt ineptitude.)
>>>
>>> It's no secret that the Academy has been using their Best Picture
>>> category to make political statements, no Strong Arming necessary...?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No. I don't buy it.  But her point (I think) about the two different
>>>> political messages was a valid observation.  Not enough to convince.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David --  gees, are you buying into this Washington fixed the oscars
>>>>> shit?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: MalignD at aol.com <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:20 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>
>>>>>  I suspect Laura's point was that Les Mis had an anti-establishment
>>>>> political point, as opposed to Argo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, although I don't think it's a particularly salient point -- you
>>>>>> think Les Mis had no political subtext?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Les Mis was a bad, often silly, piece of crap.  My opinion, as
>>>>>> yours is yours.  I make no claims for the quality of Argo, but a lot of
>>>>>> people seemed to like it, (the foreign press)  as many did Les Mis.  But
>>>>>> government intervention?  Please ... don't make a fool of yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  It was not a good year for movies.  Lincoln was no great piece of
>>>>>> work either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message
>>>>>> does it have?
>>>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot
>>>>>> of "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>>>>>>  To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Was malignd one of them? That does kind of make sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've blocked Mad-a-line, and Bled. At first I just felt sorry for
>>>>>> him/her because there's obviously some Problems there,
>>>>>> it got to be too much however.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously I can't be the only one who Noticed Michelle Obama, her
>>>>>> Royal Highness, backed by Dress Uniforms.
>>>>>> Don't get me wrong I'm sure Michelle is as innocent as a dove, all it
>>>>>> takes is Someone to suggest the idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les Mis was the best movie of the year, but what Political Message
>>>>>> does it have?
>>>>>> No, Argo, that Hitchcock-o-fied B-plus-Movie and its endearing Plot
>>>>>> of "White Americans in Trouble" is far more Palatable,
>>>>>> and gets the Royal Nod.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no alternate personalities -- don't know what would qualify
>>>>>>> them as little -- and I post only to the p-list.  Problem seems to be with
>>>>>>> your shitty email software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ludd oafery <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Malignd.... why the hell are you and all your little alternate
>>>>>>> personalities showing up in my inbox? I thought I blocked you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:46 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> another loon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    My husband had just parked a rental car on a rooftop garage
>>>>>>>> several blocks from the trade center, when the first tower was already in
>>>>>>>> flames, and he stood in a group of people who watched as an airplane seemed
>>>>>>>> to fly straight towards them, banked, then hit the second tower.  Much as I
>>>>>>>> often have squabbles with him, I pretty certain he's not now and never has
>>>>>>>> been a Bush or CIA or Israeli government operative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  There's absolutely no contradiction between some extremely
>>>>>>>> brilliant, brave, murderous, and sociopathic anti-American terrorists
>>>>>>>> destroying the towers, and Cheney, Wolfowitz and Co. taking full political
>>>>>>>> advantage of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  As long as we're talking conspiracy theories, how about these:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  1.  Why has the anthrax attack that followed 9/11 remained
>>>>>>>> unsolved, virtually unexamined, and still rarely mentioned in the press?
>>>>>>>>  My conspiracy theory: investigation would reveal that the US had, and has
>>>>>>>> always had a bio-weapons program.  The press was strong-armed into silence
>>>>>>>> by the State Department/Pentagon, as a matter of national security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  2.  Why did a mediocre, forgettable movie like Argo sweep all the
>>>>>>>> awards ceremony, get a personal well-wish by new Secretary of State John
>>>>>>>> Kerry, and finally get personally awarded the Best Picture Oscar by
>>>>>>>> Michelle Obama?  My conspiracy theory: State Department/Pentagon
>>>>>>>> strong-armed all of the Hollywood power-brokers (not all of who, by the
>>>>>>>> way, are Jewish) into arranging it, because the movie's anti-Iran (despite
>>>>>>>> a quick conciliatory sop at the beginning) stance is a great piece of
>>>>>>>> propaganda, a present-day Why We Fight, for our impending attack on Iran
>>>>>>>> (or at least, our impending support of Israel's attack on Iran).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Antonin Scriabin
>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 3:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Ian Livingston
>>>>>>>> Cc: Lemuel Underwing , Keith Davis , kelber at mindspring.com,
>>>>>>>> pynchon -l
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "selling the Iraq war"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  This is one thing that seems pretty firmly established.  The Iraq
>>>>>>>> war, from top to bottom, was / is a pretty scandalous disaster on the part
>>>>>>>> of the Bush administration.  There are "weird things" about 9/11, but
>>>>>>>> nothing we can no for sure.  I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment
>>>>>>>> concerning trust of the media / government press releases.  Basically, we
>>>>>>>> shouldn't have any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Ian Livingston <
>>>>>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, whether or not there were any conspiracies involved in 9/11
>>>>>>>>> or in selling the Iraq war, or in the Kennedy and King assassinations, I
>>>>>>>>> think we owe it to our rational selves to doubt anything news media or
>>>>>>>>> government news releases tell us. Listening to professional liars is like
>>>>>>>>> being professionally gullible or something. I, for one, have a lot more
>>>>>>>>> questions than I have understandings, and as far as certainties go, well,
>>>>>>>>> I'm not too sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>>>>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ignoring the issues of Controlled Demolition, remote-controlled
>>>>>>>>>> flying (think drone), or any of that other stuff...
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's nutty to claim that the Bush Administration
>>>>>>>>>> had it on Good Authority that there were planned attacks on the World Trade
>>>>>>>>>> Center, going so far as to Ignore explicit warnings by numerous
>>>>>>>>>> Intelligence Agencies overseas.
>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the Mossad (far from committing the attacks) actually
>>>>>>>>>> warned the American Government in July of them, an Israeli Real Estate
>>>>>>>>>> company even went so far as to break their lease in order to move out of
>>>>>>>>>> the (south, i believe) tower.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  President Bush's (it seems to actually have been under Cheney)
>>>>>>>>>> National Energy Policy Development Group had a series of top secret
>>>>>>>>>> meetings shortly after Bush was sworn in....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Klingons...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Antonin Scriabin <
>>>>>>>>>>> kierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some claim there were no airplanes (the footage is faked), some
>>>>>>>>>>>> claim the airplanes were a way to distract from the fact that it was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled demolition, etc.  You look hard enough, you will find ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible conspiratorial angle ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never understood: do the conspiracy theorists (sorry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuts) claim there were no airplanes?  Or that George Bush called the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines and got them to crash the airplanes?  Or that he rounded up some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood-issue terrorists to pose as real suicide bombers to crash the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes into buildings pre-mined with explosives?  All in the service of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing down the value of some prime Manhattan real estate?  Wouldn't it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been easier to just wait for the inevitable flu pandemic or climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> event and blame it on Iraq/Iran/whoever meddling?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David Morris **
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Feb 27, 2013 2:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Ryan **
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Lewis Zhang **, Michael Bailey **, Pynchon-L **
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 911 Prewarning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a youtube video conspiracy screed theorizing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the towers' fall was a controlled demolition, not caused by the jet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impacts.  Too clean, it argued.  But it didn't mention that controlled demo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires explosives placed at columns throughout the building, not just in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden spaces, like closets.  They must have used invisible explosives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Richard Ryan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> richardonriver at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One of the interesting unexplored reports surrounding 911 -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there, doesn't on closer examination, appear to be much here other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated hearsay, but it's odd that it never seems to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly investigated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Odigo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always been troubled by the discovery of Mohammed Atta's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unscathed passport the day of the attack by A pedestrian.  Probably just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those weird flukes but it's unsettling....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    **********
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>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
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