Cutting Edge

[Ian Livingston]

Edges, divides, limits....

"The book will, therefore, draw a limit to thinking, or rather--not to
thinking, but to the expression of thoughts; for, in order to draw a limit
to thinking we should have to be able to think both sides of this limit (we
should therefore have to be able to think what cannot be thought).

"The limit can, therefore, only be drawn in language and what lies on the
other side of the limit will be simply nonsense." Wittgenstein, Tractatus,
Preface.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:46 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> He has a brief cameo in ATD as O.I.C. Bodine, "who lounged against a
> bulkhead drinking some horrible fermented potato mash as prelude to going
> off watch and into sleep."
>
> Laura
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Markekohut **
> Sent: Jan 9, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: Antonin Scriabin **
> Cc: pynchon-l **
> Subject: Re: Cutting Edge
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> As Morris said,I predict I can't predict it. But, Bodine is long dead,
> IMHO. When he apologized in the slow Learner intro. Just guessing.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think that given the types of books he has written in the past, it will
> be incredibly difficult to predict what type of novel we will get in the
> fall.  My only guess is that there will be a Bodine wedged in somewhere.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> isn't it a major theme, or the major theme in Pynchon, those
>> passed-over, left out, outisde the firelight campfire, at the border
>> if u will between in and out but just coming up short? I think Pynchon
>> loves these lovable losers, Tchicherine, Zoyd, Frank Traverse, DL,
>> Mooneyes, Sportello, Oedipa, Yashmeen, the list is endless
>>
>> I don't see a sci-fi steampunk book coming--he's done steampunk but
>> all his books are bleeding edge books in a way--the distant past, the
>> present, the near future but not much beyond. a full setting in the
>> future would seem to lose something essential to Pynchon I think but
>> Pynchon being Pynchon I suppose he can pull it off.
>>
>> rich
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Heikki Raudaskoski
>> <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Good catch.
>> >
>> >
>> > There are also two (quite paranoid) "leading edge" passages in GR which
>> are
>> > worth mentioning IMO.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Like other sorts of paranoia, it is nothing less than the onset, the
>> > leading edge, of the discovery that *everything is connected*,
>> everything in
>> > the Creation, a secondary illumination - not yet blindingly One, but at
>> > least connected, and perhaps a route In for those like Tchitcherine who
>> are
>> > held at the edge...." (Viking, 703)
>> >
>> >    "'Surveillance?' Roger is fidgeting heavily, with his hair, his
>> necktie,
>> > ears, nose, knuckles, 'IG Farben had Slothrop under surveillance?
>> Before the
>> > War? What *for*, Gloaming.'
>> >    'Odd, isn't it?' Cheerio *boing* out the door without another word,
>> > leaving Roger alone with a most disagreeable light beginning to grow,
>> the
>> > leading edge of a revelation, blinding, crescent, at the periphery of
>> his
>> > brain. IG Farben, eh?" (631)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Heikki
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoting David Payne <dpayne1912 at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Not _The Bleeding Edge_, but from GR (Penguin Classic edition), page
>> 581:
>> >>
>> >> "They kept the German Wobbly traditions, they didn't go along with
>>  Hitler
>> >> though all the other unions were falling into line. It  touches
>> Slothrop's
>> >> own Puritan hopes for the Word, the Word made  printer's ink, dwelling
>> along
>> >> with antibodies and iron-bound breath  in a good man's blood, though
>> the
>> >> World for him be always the World  on Monday, with its cold cutting
>> edge,
>> >> slicing away every poor  illusion of comfort the bourgeois takes for
>> >> real..."
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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