A movie that moved TP?

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Paul M. writes:
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> My own theory of the progress of the book's genesis (based on nothing but idle speculation) would be that Pynchon could not have foreseen how as the decade progressed the whole spirit and tone of of his generation would develop and overshadow the preoccupations of previous ones. And in my case capture a certain allegiance and even forgetfulness of times past.

  I have had almost exactly the same speculative thoughts.
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> What I'm getting at is that the book ending up in the Nixon era might well have been an afterthought.  Something to give it  more current relevance.

However, reading more into this period, I have been astonished to learn how deeply Nixon hate went---as expressed by writers...Pynchon's elders and peers. I'm sure you don't all remember the Nixon pieces, slams and exposes in that issue of the Bellow-edited magazine in which Pynchon appeared, which I talked about here.....some of it goes back to Nixon's anti-communism and supporting McCarthyism,so to speak, I think.....that rotten ratting on, spying on each other and others for the idealism of believing in a better world for the poor. 

In GR, I think TRP saw Nixon as an archetypal American pol/Pres w associative links to all the 
They's in GR---and WE were the They who elected him. WW2 General Ike, remember, had warned of the Military-Industrial Complex...he had come to hate his VP Nixon....he and TRP
 were prescient.....remember, when GR was published NIXON was riding so high...The Watergate burglary was just a mysterious burglary......

with Nixon, TRP was like unto Shakespeare in seeing through some lionized English leaders
(Although Shakey stayed away from attacking current rulers). 

Ole Doc Speculation

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> I'm definitely not saying the ending is wrong or anything like that.  And  I do offer my theory humbly.  Perhaps it is completely whack.
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>> LK
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>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Matthew Cissell<macissell at yahoo.es>
>>> Sent: Jan 16, 2013 5:38 AM
>>> To:"pynchon-l at waste.org"  <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Subject: A movie that moved TP?
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>>> I am not as up on movies as some on the list, but when I get the chance I try to watch something worthwhile. Last night I caught a movie on TV that I had no idea about until I saw it. As soon as I saw Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster and some others I knew it would be good.
>>>  Judgement at Nuremburg was released in 1961 (filmed in black and white, at first I thought it was older) so it's a pretty safe bet that TP would have seen it. As far as I know this was one of the first films to refer to the horror of the Shoah and use images from the liberation of the camps by allied forces in ´45. Towards the end of the film IG Farben is mentioned, and a final note at the end of the film mentions that of the people convicted and encarcerated at Nuremburg none remained in prison at the time of the film´s release. Might this have set TP's wheels spinning? I don´t mean to imply that it was the origin of his idea for GR, but could it have been significant? What other films at that time might have moved TP to write?
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>>> ciao
>>> mc otis
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