Oliver Stone (was:Pauper and Sweatshop Fallacies)

[Mark Kohut]

Yes, I do. "All of History" simply meaning all the tit-for-tat violence that characterizes political history. 
it is a CONSTANT in intellectual discussion of.....See where Revenge tragedies originated--as they touched
reality.
 
And P's time was FILLED with discussion of violence--or not---to overcome (Statist) tyranny and "simple"
injustice....See the Algerian War; see the Vietnam War; see Frantz Fanon's popularity; see the discussions around Dostoevesky's Demons;
see discussions around The Weather Underground. See the Freedom Riders and MLK's non-violent mandate. A bubbling constant then.
I ask you to come up with a reason Pynchon chose a Revenge tragedy with more (political) violence than any Tarnatino movie? Could meanings
 around hidden, changed, lost texts been done with.......a wholly different genre? 
 
The Revenge Tragedy in Lot 49 can easily, I think, hold my "oversimplified' meaning since IT/THAT is only one part
of its meaning and the novella itself is about the unfurling of America and where it might lead. Such a summary does not
imply that the process of getting there IS NOT the most important meanings of Lot 49. 
 
I would say Hamlet is 'about' a lot more than its revenge theme and parody thereof. It would be more minor than Kyd's (because derivative of) 
if it were not. 


Isn't The Crying of Less 49, like, 149 pages long? Written by a 28 year old pining for the suicide of his fabulous partner?  Are you really sure you want to read Hamletical revenge parodies and all of throughout history....into it?

Really, man?  Just a reality check--

Go 49ers!  Yeah, genius work, encompassing all of history....!  Lets study it, and read it, again and again!  Screw history, let's just read....Lot 49! 

Someone young rubber-tired, beach brained scholar should right a book about the hairspray bottle, and it's relative nuisance to Assurburnipal's kingdom of Nineveh and the cumming of Nixon/Inanna.... 

It's a children's book, come on.



On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

One of my returning perspectives on the revenge drama parody within The Crying of Lot 49, is
>that it is a metaphor for the violent revenges that is History. Pynchon,  in a very different time, says such revenge is not worth acting out anymore--no real ambiguity (except in the supposed "text" of the play...the reality ( of the reasons for revenge, lost in history)--in the play within Lot 49 and what happens to the Director.
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>On Jan 19, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Joseph Tracy wrote:
>>> You are right. It's a real funny parody like everything else .  And the funniest part is that some idiots don't get that, but  there is no putting one over on you.
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>> wikipedia sez Shakespeare:
>> complicates the themes and deepens the psychology of its models. What
>> is, in The Spanish Tragedy, a straightforward duty of revenge, is for
>> Prince Hamlet, both factually and morally ambiguous. Hamlet has been
>> read, with some support, as enacting a thematic conflict between the
>> Roman values of martial valor and blood-right on the one hand, and
>> Christian values of humility and acceptance on the other.
>>
>> here's something with a diagram of the parodic and non-parodic elements:
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=ThJJP4b21DwC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=%22hamlet+as+parody+of+revenge+tragedy%22&source=bl&ots=kpvvbV8O64&sig=X4fySP7r0j2KYEw8pxUVrRHYElg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2Cn6UNbfOIHs8gTEkoDoAQ&ved=0CHcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22hamlet%20as%20parody%20of%20revenge%20tragedy%22&f=false
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