Oliver Stone

[Iris Sirius]

somebody might sayt. I will. Bled,s study of Sivas name will go down in
Pynchonic history as one of the cleverest mails ever on the pynchon_l.
On Jan 21, 2013 1:08 PM, "Bled Welder" <bledwelder at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm just having a laugh here.
>
> Prashant.  You're a tad older than moi, and you're smarter than me.
>
> I'm just curious.  Do you know your name is....prescient?  I think the
> term, being, help me out here Kohutable, leave off the Twitting for five
> seconds and what is, prescient?  I mean the word, I'm not asking you to be
> prescient.  I'm not asking you to be Prashant, god forbid.  Is that some
> sort of Hindi, thing?  Like, say, Yao, in China, Yahoo in america, what's a
> popular name in North Korea, I worked with a dude for two years in LA,
> construction management, the Californians floated a 5 billion dollar bill,
> real like nerdy fellow, tall, almost as tall as pertaining to moi,
> presciently, and he kept, well he was let go eventually, nothing to do wed
> me, but he kept, cracking these unfunny jokes, but I mean he was funny, you
> just had to be there, he was Korean, right, southerly obviously, it's not
> like Kim Jung Il sent the troops over after the bill floated, after every
> half-assed crack, this nerdy fellow finished his goof off with...."like
> from China."
>
> Siva.  Now I will save now.  Your name is Siva Preshant?  That has to be
> some type of Hindi pseudonym.  Who were/are your parents.  I want to know
> this.  I'm morphing DeLillo here.  Pre--of the beginning of.  Scient--mind?
>  Science?  What is the word science being, becoming.  This I want to know.
>  So, Siva, you're a god of destruction, but which, help me out here
> Kohutimababale, can be *interpreted* any, which, way.
>
> Anyway, just a thought, there seems to be some serious translation of The
> Them, going on, round abouts this time.  You speak perfect English. Wait,
> that is an absurd absumption, that English is your second language.  You
> may, not, even, speak Hindi.  You may be pure blue blood, straight out of
> the suburbialandifortification--ized, of Princeton.
>
> m
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Prashant Kumar <
> siva.prashant.kumar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just re your 2), the physicists at Los Alamos did calculations to
>> determine whether an atomic bomb would ignite the atmosphere (forget and am
>> too lazy to find out when). So it's a safe bet that distinctions between
>> atomic and regular bombs hadn't crystallised in the political psyche.
>>
>> P.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013, Joe Allonby wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Truman was a politician, not a soldier. His understandable
>>> deference to the generals at the time helped create the problem that
>>> he had to deal with later in MacArthur. I'm looking around for
>>> evidence that Truman said "Drop these here two big bombs on those
>>> there cities."
>>>
>>> 2) Again, did anyone who was not a physicist or advanced chemist
>>> understand what went down at Alamogordo? Or did they just think BIG
>>> FUCKING BOMB?
>>>
>>> 3) I think we're in agreement here.
>>>
>>> I really don't know the answer to 1 & 2, but I'm going to spend some
>>> time today between football coverage looking into it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>> > 1.  You think Truman gave A bombs to generals to use at their
>>> discretion
>>> > and, if they felt like dropping one on a Japanese city, that was up to
>>> them?
>>> >
>>> > 2.  Destructive power?  The bomb was tested ...
>>> >
>>> > 3.  Can't say, but I strongly suspect the answer is no.
>>> >
>>> > Did Truman give specific orders for the use of A-bombs at Hiroshima
>>> > and Nagasaki? Or did he simply give the weapons to generals who then
>>> > did what generals do?
>>> >
>>> > Were any of the people making political decisions and calculations at
>>> > the time aware of the destructive power and potential threat of these
>>> > new weapons that had never been used before?
>>> >
>>> > Did people flying in propeller planes envision ICBMs tipped with
>>> > fusion bombs and the threat of global thermonuclear war?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Joe Allonby <joeallonby at gmail.com>
>>> > To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>> > Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:45 am
>>> > Subject: Re: Oliver Stone
>>> >
>>> > Did Truman give specific orders for the use of A-bombs at Hiroshima
>>> > and Nagasaki? Or did he simply give the weapons to generals who then
>>> > did what generals do?
>>> >
>>> > Were any of the people making political decisions and calculations at
>>> > the time aware of the destructive power and potential threat of these
>>> > new weapons that had never been used before?
>>> >
>>> > Did people flying in propeller planes envision ICBMs tipped with
>>> > fusion bombs and the threat of global thermonuclear war?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >> My memory of the facts as presented in that book were that the
>>> Japanese
>>> >> were
>>> >> looking to negotiate a peace and that this was communicated through
>>> the
>>> >> Russians, who had still not declared war on Japan, but were going to.
>>>  The
>>> >> US knew of this (as I recall) both through diplomatic traffic from
>>> Russia
>>> >> and from our own intelligence.  The timing of the bombing then (given
>>> that
>>> >> Russia was about to become a declared adversary) was to keep Russia
>>> away
>>> >> from the negotiating table once surrender was taken.  I'm
>>> simplifying, but
>>> >> the book is rich in this sort of thing and well documented.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>>> >> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> >> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:27 am
>>> >> Subject: Re: Oliver Stone
>>> >>
>>> >> interesting. i'll have to read that one.  I'm curious though whether
>>> >> Truman and Co. had irrefutable proof of a impending Japanese
>>> >> surrender. If memory serves there was still no inkling of such after
>>> >> Hiroshima. Maybe some of the scientists who worked on the bomb had
>>> >> reservations but from all I've read about the event there was still
>>> >> many die hards in Japan who wanted to fight to the end.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Suggested reading is Martin Sherwin's excellent book on the bombing
>>> of
>>> >>> Japan, A World Destroyed.  Very strong argument that there was little
>>> >>> moral
>>> >>> hand-wringing.  from the get-go, the idea was to drop a bomb for
>>> >>> geopolitical reasons:  to bring the USSR to bay in the post-war era,
>>> for
>>> >>> which purpose it failed.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Original research at the time the book was written, benefiting from
>>> >>> Carter's
>>> >>> Freedom  of Information act.
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Paul Mackin <
>>
>>
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