More proof that there are no fascists

[Joseph Tracy]

Yea I just don't know how I missed the end of those days  when a great many seemingly   "serious people" made claims that the US acts as a force of and for democracy and human rights. Certainly the rhetoric has not diminished, nor the number of people who use it in order to qualify to be taken seriously.     So I take it this means you like Obama because  almost everything he says is said with the understanding that none of it is to be taken seriously? I mean sure he is very affable and seems to have a nice family,  but I hear that was said of Bernie Madoff.   
On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:54 PM, alice wellintown wrote:

>> Do our secret trials and executive killings set a good example of how Democracy should operate?
> 
> This "our" you speak of is the USA. So, implicit in this question is
> the conservative idea that the USA is an exceptional nation state that
> sets examples for other nations in the world. But this conservative
> claim is propaganda. Sure, there was a time when this claim had some
> truth in it, but post-Vietnam and Watergate it has little serious
> calim to truth, and surely after 9-11, few if any serious people,
> people who understand the complexity of the world, make such claims or
> employ them implicitly in questions hey expect others to take
> seriously. but, then, you seem to be saying something here, so maybe
> it is that Democracy doesn't work or that the USA is not a Democracy
> or not a Democracy worth copying or looking up to.
> 
> So, we can say that the USA is not a Democracy. That wuz easy.
> 
> Now what?
> 
> We can still get information about its evildoings and we can bash them
> without fear,
> 
> So, better than most nations in the world, but still not worthy of emulatiion.
> 
> OK, so the President is a killer. Why does this shock you, Joe? You
> seem like a guy who knows more than his high school textbook taught
> him about history and governments.
> 
> I kike Obama; voted for him twice. I don't like the drones or the NJ
> Prisons or the dress his wife wore to the party or the fact that I
> have lost so many, so many, Joe, and still, in harms way are so many
> so precious to me, but I can live with him.
> 
> Demecracy is nice word. ANd being the USA is a complex thing.
> 
> We doin OK. Not bad, Getting better.
> 
> The glass is half full.
> 
> Dig?