Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[Rev'd Seventy-Six]

Me neither. Old Sam believed it, must have, to have written 'Not I'.
Me, I get the concept, but, uh... when it's extended to buttress
existential wangst like Stanislav Grof's perinatal matrix theory my
brain checks out. Life is pain, sure, but pain is only *one* of the
flavors. It's certainly not my fave primary color. I think it's
overplayed.

On 7/30/13, malignd at aol.com <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure how to read this group anymore.  Does anyone think Becket was
> serious?
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> From: Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
> To: 'David Morris' <fqmorris at gmail.com>; 'Ian Livingston'
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> Cc: 'Keith Davis' <kbob42 at gmail.com>; 'P-list' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:05 am
> Subject: RE: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
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> Oh, it’s downhill well before that. Samuel Beckett in a 1970 interview:
> “Even before the foetus can draw breath it is in a state of barrenness and
> of pain. I have a clear memory of my own foetal existence. It was an
> existence where no voice, no possible movement could free me from the agony
> and darkness I was subjected to.”
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> And in _Murphy_, Neary curses the day he was born “and then, in a bold
> flashback, the night he was conceived.”
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> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf
> Of David Morris
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:51 AM
> To: Ian Livingston
> Cc: Keith Davis; P-list
> Subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
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> Yes. That is a clear way of explaining the root experience and its later
> recognition/identification.
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> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
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> Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is to
> remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
> that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of emotional
> resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as desire.
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation of
> fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.
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> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
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> The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the fear
> and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self" as
> separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
> consciousness".
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace of
> the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air, warmth,
> in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.
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> Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out liquid
> in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth is
> traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about this
> same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this "Original
> Desire."
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> I think this was all pre Freud.
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> David Morris
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