Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[Rev'd Seventy-Six]

That's Kool and the gang. All I am saying is:  there is a nigh unto
bottomless resevoir of negative experience in the arts & sciences. I
would appreciate that balanced a tad, esp. in this tilted age. The
Inferno wasn't a challenge to Dante: Paradise, however, exceeded his
reach. I would prefer not to equate birth with a plummet into a sphere
of profane dread & agony. In the arts we have come to confuse realism
with suffering when it ain't the lion's share, experience-wise. Maybe
I'm naive...

On 7/30/13, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:24 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how to read this group anymore.  Does anyone think Becket was
>> serious?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
>> To: 'David Morris' <fqmorris at gmail.com>; 'Ian Livingston'
>> <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> Cc: 'Keith Davis' <kbob42 at gmail.com>; 'P-list' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:05 am
>> Subject: RE: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
>>
>> Oh, it’s downhill well before that. Samuel Beckett in a 1970 interview:
>> “Even before the foetus can draw breath it is in a state of barrenness and
>> of pain. I have a clear memory of my own foetal existence. It was an
>> existence where no voice, no possible movement could free me from the
>> agony and darkness I was subjected to.”
>>
>> And in _Murphy_, Neary curses the day he was born “and then, in a bold
>> flashback, the night he was conceived.”
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Morris
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:51 AM
>> To: Ian Livingston
>> Cc: Keith Davis; P-list
>> Subject: Re: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
>>
>> Yes. That is a clear way of explaining the root experience and its later
>> recognition/identification.
>>
>> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
>> Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is to
>> remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
>> that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of
>> emotional resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as
>> desire.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
>> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation
>> of fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>> The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the fear
>> and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self" as
>> separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
>> consciousness".
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace of
>> the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air,
>> warmth, in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.
>>
>> Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out
>> liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth
>> is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about
>> this same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this
>> "Original Desire."
>>
>> I think this was all pre Freud.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>>
>>
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