Science Plays God

Markekohut markekohut at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 8 07:57:46 CDT 2013


Less poetically than you, I add. When man had to " work" for food, expelled from the Garden, he invented tools and their use. He was angry about it, since it isn't called work for nothing. Using tools, the first technologies, he sought dominion over the natural world. His anger made him feel guilty, since in the Garden, he never was--and he lost the Garden. " my fuckin' fault, he kept thinking but if I work hard I'll get us back there. Now called the Garden of Heaven. 
So, hard work become the key to salvation. 

So to speak. 

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On Jun 8, 2013, at 7:48 AM, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the West, God is a creator, the perfect expression of Free Will, and He makes Man in his image, a creator as well, with Free Will. But the Western God likes order, has a plan for his creation, this plan fixes man in a subordinate position, placing man's plans for the creation, and thus man's creations, under God's.  Man, however, is not content in this position and so he exercises his free will, thus frustrating, disturbing, the plans of his god. The creative man is given charge of the creation, and with it he does some good, but he is flawed, and he can't use his free creative power to do more good than evil, so the order the god has made is disturbed; the god wipes the slate with a flood, establishes a new order, cleaning the murder of Abel by his brother Cain, establishing the love of Judah for Benjamin. And so it goes. God and Man create. The myth of creation, of sin and re-creation is important because it will serve as the foundation of science, of modern science, of modernity without restraint. The story is a long one, but we can look at the chapters that address the period when Calvin merges with Newton, so the 16th and 17th centuries. Why begin here? Well, I would like to get to Pynchon and America, to the Puritans, and their machine, the printing machine and the text (Slothrop's ancestors), and to the Science of government in the early American states (Mason and Dixon).  If we start with Locke and Calvin , we can get to Weber and Blicero, by rocket, of course, and land on the dark side of Darwin and Dewey and...the theater/theatre...the dark passages, as one critic call them, of P's history of science gone mad. Gone mad with its powerful envy of nature's creative chaos.    
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> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> Thoughtful, provocative, insightful and  clear. Not sure if it is that the idea has roots in religion or that the urge to understand, rival and control natural forces  are the roots of both science as a practical expression and religion as the explaining story.
>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:33 PM, alice wellintown wrote:
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>> > When did humans first think about nature as a machine? Long before Newton, but hard to say for sure. But we can say that the meaning of this concept (nature as machine) has changed over time. We can also say that science has influenced what we claim to know about nature, about powers in nature that are greater than any power we have, and about what in nature is very powerful and why, and what is  beyond our immediate control, but not beyond our control in the future.
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>> > Does science redesign nature to make it fit scientific expectations and needs? Nature certainly does not remain constant, does not retain its meaning as theories evolve, as theories are abandoned, replaced with new ones. As science evolves and changes, nature’s features change.
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>> > Put a camera in the meadow for a season. Make a film. A reflection of nature’s secrets, once hidden, is now exposed. Nature is somehow more real. We see so much that nature does, its power, but what we see is not nature, but a film, an imitation. How powerful is the meadow! But science has power too. The more power science has, the more powerful and persuasive its ideas about nature. The camera is quite a powerful technology. Like the hammer, and extension, the camera too extends. In this case, it is not the hand, nor even the eye so much that is extended, but the mind. Thinking with the machine changes how we think about nature. Does thinking with the machine make us think of nature as a machine? And if so, does the thinking with a clock make nature a clock, thinking with a text…a computer…thinking with …and is it in our nature to formulate our scientific explanations of how nature works with what works for us, what can be reproduced, reliably, without ambiguity, again and again. Use a machine not an idea because ideas are not as easy to control. Science must control, therefore, it controls nature by making it a machine. And, we do the same to others who inhabit the earth, and we do so to ourselves. The machine is powerful method for taking hold of complexities in nature, like the meadow in spring, which we cannot make. That we can’t make Spring, is a challenge to science, especially in the West, because science making, creating, bringing to nature something that was not there before, is an expression of free will.  This idea, of course, has its roots, not in science, but in religion, in Genesis. God makes us in his image and we therefore make things in ours.
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