Edward Snowden, NSA whistleblower

[Henry M]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-is-no-hero.html
Just sayin'.

Yours truly,
٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
Henry Musikar, CISSP
http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Obama clearly promised to stop and to prevent this warrantless spying and
> clearly had the power either to stop it or to expose and oppose it.
>  Instead he has excused it, endorsed it, funded it and expanded it. He has
> gone after reporters and employees who expose  the truth about drones and
> spying or  who oppose abuses of power.
> "Fix it, " you say
> But how will such abuse of the public trust  be fixed if it  is never
> exposed to the light of public scrutiny? That is what Snowden had the
> courage to do at great personal risk. He and Bradley Manning are far more
> loyal to the constitution and to the idea of democratic accountability than
> Obama, who has proven time after time to be a coward and a liar. He has
> never offered anything but an image, brand loyalty to a product that does
> not exist, his true loyalties the same as Bush: bankers, military
> contractors, HMOs, the CIA, offshore bank accounts, drone warfare, secrecy.
> surveillance, fracking, big oil, Guantanamo, corporate money destroying
> popular democracy, secret courts, even racial profiling has continued
> unchecked.
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Henry M wrote:
>
> > Obama didn't put it in place, and has suggested that legislators
> restrict the unlimited freedom to do anything as long as it relates to
> terrorism.  I'm not okay with the spying, but I'm not naïve.  It's the
> natural extension of a process that has been going on for thousands of
> years.  Fix it, but don't pretend to be shocked to find gambling going on
> here.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> > ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
> > Henry Musikar, CISSP
> > http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > Snowden did go to his superiors and they told him to drop it. Thomas
> Drake went to his "superiors" and stayed entirely within legal processes
> and his superiors accused him as a lawbreaker( he won in court, but was
> personally devastated). Colleen Rowley went to her FBI superiors with
> information that would very likely have prevented 9-11 and she was told to
> shut up .  Did you side with Bush when William Binney exposed the then
> clearly illegal NSA spying or Obama who promised it wouldn't happen if he
> was president?  The 4th amendment cannot be repealed by executive fiat or a
> law of congress.  When criminals are running the show and breaking laws,
> compliance is little more than just following orders. Totalitarian states
> always give themselves the power of law and this system of universal spying
> is exactly what Orwell, Kafka and history shows as the core methodology of
> totalitarian police states.
> >
> > You hated Bush but when Obama does the exact same things you approve.
> Why?
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Henry M wrote:
> >
> >> Whether or not you like the results of Snowden's revelation, he's
> certainly is closer to being a whistle-blower than Manning.  Many people
> who have never handled sensitive information miss an important element of
> what employees, government or otherwise, are told vis-a-vis
> whistle-blowing, which is the requirement to bring the problem to one's
> superiors or to some office specially designated for receiving such
> information.
> >>
> >> If Snowden had done so, he probably would have been informed that while
> he, and many other people, may have philosophical (and perhaps moral)
> concerns about the NSA surveilance progam, it wasn't illegal and it wasn't
> against government or program policy, direction, or charter, things that
> Manning is too apparently too young and mixed-up to understand, but which
> someone in Snowden's former positon should.
> >>
> >> However much you may like them and the results of what they've done,
> Snowden and Manning broke the law and were aware of the consequence of
> doing so. That there are bankers who broke the law (many just did very
> wrong things) and who should be prosecuted in what would be very
> complicated cases does not, in a nation of laws, give other people such as
> Snowden and Manning, a free pass.
> >>
> >> Yours truly,
> >> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
> >> Henry Musikar, CISSP
> >> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:39 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> i can accept the release of what the NSA has been up to with
> wiretapping and the like  but if this guy also gave out secrets about US
> plans regarding cyberattack strategies/defense I think that's something he
> should be prosecuted for
> >
> >
>
>
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