NP...but we remember him on charisma and Work

[alice wellintown]

Oh, come on.  Be serious. These proposals on homosexual priests, women
priests, and female popes, are nice, of course, nice ideas an academic
or an American might see as sensible and even ethical, but these will
will never be more than nice proposals. Anyone familiar with the RC
Church knows that it will not even consider these at this time.
Married clergy? Perhaps.

The sexual abuse and corruption that has rotted the church to the core
is, while somehow in a strange and delicate way related to the above,
is truly another matter. For homosexuals are not child abusers and
neither are married men or women of faith, and, so, ther is some
connection, in that abusers have taken a kind of perverse refuge in
the church, which has protected them, and would, were they women or
men or homosexual or married because it protects these criminals not
because it has caused such behaivior with its policies, or can, in any
way, defen them, but because it hopes to defend the church. This is
not only unethical and foolish, it is acorruption at the core of the
fundamnetal teachings of the church. And so, it is riotten to the very
core.

But, what would surely be a revolution in the church, were it to adopt
your proposals, and these, of course, have been around for as long as
the church, is not going to happen.

That said, somethinbg truly radical has happened.

And so, to call that revolution a bunch of old men, to call that new
pope a silly old fool, is hate and ignorance.

Walk a day in his life. You haven't the balls to do it. That old silly
man will walk the walk aroud you with a smile on his humble face.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM,  <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
> Priests need to be allowed to marry or be openly gay, or both, if they
> choose. Women should be allowed to be priests, or even popes, if that's
> there calling. Contraception should be subsidized not villified. Sexual
> abuse of children should not be covered up, nor abusers shielded from the
> law. Please address these issues before you accuse me of hating anyone.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----,
> From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:05 pm
>
> Subject: Re: NP...but we remember him on charisma and Work
>
>
> The problem with this kind of intelligent graffiti is that it has no
> knowledge of the hard wall it sprays its paint on. Francis has done more
> with his life to help poor people than any ivory tower wannabe, but now that
> he is pope, he is he old man who lies and plays the double. Bull shit. He
> will be a great pope. Now, of course, you that hate popes, well, that't our
> hate not his.
> On Friday, March 15, 2013, wrote:
>>
>> On the one hand there is this enormous, undeniable, unquenchable worldwide
>> thirst for something more than the seen- to make meaningful the unavoidable
>> slings and arrows to which we are all heir, even when we find ourselves in
>> the lap of luxury, completely sated and yet still, somehow hungry, as if at
>> a roman orgy. While on the other, I'm so sick and tired of these silly old
>> men who leverage their sanctimonious bigotry against some quasi-concern for
>> "The Poor," many of whom have been impoverished- materially and culturally-
>> by the very empires of commerce and slavery upon which the church has been
>> built. What to do...
>>
>> Something simple, for sure
>> some way to enlighten
>> the quotidian day.
>>
>> How to find these things-
>> Do we need Popes or Kings,
>> or pigs with wings?
>>
>> The reverend's book of days
>> might have something to say
>> in this regard.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
>> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2013 8:44 am
>> Subject: Re: NP...but we remember him on charisma and Work
>>
>>
>>
>> Contraception and pro-choice, e.g., are pressing concerns among the poor
>> and poor countries, IMO.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2013, alice wellintown wrote:
>>
>> > While the Press will focus on sex abuse, corruption, female priests,
>> > marriage of priests, of gays, pro-choice, contraception, etc., these
>> > issues, that must be pressed by the press, this new pope has signaled
>> > that
>> > he will put his focus on the poor, the environment, the broken and
>> > damaged
>> > church. As a Society of Jesus man, he has taken the vow to poverty;
>> > though
>> > he has distanced himself from Marxist Theology, he may be a great
>> > Francis.
>> > Who knows?  A great move by the FCC here. While the rich worry about who
>> > gets to marry, the poor, the focus of this new pope, have more pressing
>> > concerns.
>> > On Wednesday, March 13, 2013, rich wrote:
>> >
>> > > and he's a fucking Jesuit
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM, David Morris
>> > > <fqmorris at gmail.com<javascript:_e({},
>> 'cvml', 'fqmorris at gmail.com');>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/new-pope-saint-francis-031313
>> > >>
>> > >> "Most important, he's 76-years old which means, quite honestly, that
>> > >> the
>> > >> man's a caretaker, or that there is a real faction within the
>> > >> cardinal-electors arrayed against the idea of very long papacies on
>> > >> the
>> > >> order of that of John Paul II.
>> > >> [...]
>> > >> The longer a pope reigns, the more indelible a mark he puts on the
>> > >> Church, and it is possible ? probably likely ? that the Curial
>> > >> members of
>> > >> the Clan Of The Red Beanie once again hedged their bets. The
>> > >> likelihood of
>> > >> this crew electing a real reformer was slim enough anyway ? Thanks to
>> > >> the
>> > >> last two popes, there weren't many real reformers in the room ? but
>> > >> it is
>> > >> possible that the papacy could change a man from a safe bet to a guy
>> > >> who
>> > >> would inconvenience the power of the institutional church, so better
>> > >> to
>> > >> vote for a guy with the actuarial tables lined up against him."
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >