Pynchon knows this, I say. Sorta always known.

[Monte Davis]

It's the new original sin, man.

 

From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf
Of malignd at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:47 PM
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: Re: Pynchon knows this, I say. Sorta always known.

 

So Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Newton, et al are to be held responsible
for AIDS, ebola virus, Lyme disease, etc.  I admit, I hadn't considered
that.



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: Pynchon knows this, I say. Sorta always known.

I think part of the point though is that there is growing evidence that
science 
is up against the limits of empiricism and has moved it's brightest
physicists 
toward spewing out untestable multidimensional string theory and spending 
billions to collide beams in  search of Higgs's God particle. Is this not
some 
kind of pseudo scientific holy grail that is as much philosophy as physics?
Will 
a unified interpretation follow? How real is the thing they may or may not
have 
found and what exactly is the question being answered? Cuz it's getting
mighty 
hot around here, lots of people with malaria, aids, Lymes, Ebola Lots of 
children starving, species disappearing,  fibers in the web of life
breaking,  
lot's of carbon and methane in the wind, toxic shit floating  down the 
river,arsenic in the rice, radioactive towns, a great deal of it thanks to
the 
scientific revolution.
On May 29, 2013, at 6:31 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
 
> Must disagree.  Shallow, strawman arguments that seem ignorant of the fact

that disagreement, challenge, sometimes piecemeal answers are part of
science 
and a large part of what makes it powerful.
> 
> The questions he mentions are tough, and certainly there are no easy
answers. 
But to suggest we're going to philosophize our way to them is ... well:
good 
luck.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 3:24 pm
> Subject: Re: Pynchon knows this, I say. Sorta always known.
> 
> Amen
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> This is an excellent, brief but substantial rebuttal to the tidy
mathematical 
models of Hawking and his presumptions about the meaning and explanatory
power 
of those models. Hawking sees himself as part of the clear-headed data-based

scientific revolution, when he is largely a conservative voice defending a 
particular POV that has been around with variations since the Enlightenment.
I 
often feel that science has been politicized into the same name-calling and
two 
party divisions which dominate political thought. It's a matter of survival,

allies in a tough market place rather than truly independent thinking .  All
of 
this is discussed in Pynchon's essay( Is it O.K. to be a Luddite?) referring
to 
CP Snow's lecture- "The Two Cultures and the Scientific Revolution" .
> 
> Mostly it looks a lot like talking monkeys heaving shit at each other when

they/we reach the limits of their/our ability to  explain, know or
understand. 
To me part of the mindset I have imperfectly come to ( I still throw shit
from 
time to time), is a willingness to live with many unanswered questions. I
feel 
less hardened in this space, and I feel Pynchon and many artists occupy this

space and ask us to try it out.  It allows for the deepest kind of curiosity

without promising answers. I think it allows for taking philosophic ,
spiritual, 
or moral positions without being self -righteously blind to the
inconsistencies 
or problems in our model.
> 
> 
> On May 27, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Markekohut wrote:
> 
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www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/27/physics-philosophy-quantum-rela
tivity-einstein?CMP=twt_fd
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