9-11 box cutters 11 september utility knives

[Joe Allonby]

Often referred to "box cutter" as a razor knife. Some of them can be
formidable weapons. The ones with the sliding snap-off blades can be
extended to about five inches making it similar to an old-fashioned
straight razor. I can see someone being intimidated by that.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree w Ryan. " Box cutter" showed how pre-9/11 hijacker scenario strategy
> used minimal counter resistance from airline staff (or passegers) not
> thinking hijackers were on suicide missions.  The passengers on the third
> plane learned the new equation quickly and valiantly.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, Matt Ryan wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, I have worked various jobs involving regular use of
>> these blades and the terms "box cutters" and "utility knives" were always
>> used interchangeably. Maybe it's a regional thing, I dunno.  As far as the
>> media glomming onto the term box cutters, I'm guessing it has to do with the
>> narrative they were trying to shape, i.e. "something as mundane as this
>> ubiquitous little tool was used to carry out this hugely significant attack,
>> oh the irony, etc."
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I may be misremembering, but didn't Popular Science or Popular Mechanics
>> fully explain the collapse of WTC 7?
>>
>> The boxcutter was just an example of one small thing I thought about that
>> troubled me and an attempt to clarify to myself and anyone interested why.
>> The
>> Other issues are quite large and have in no way been adequately addressed.
>> Why
>> did building seven, unstruck  except by minor debris and the fire that
>> started,
>> collapse. There has never been a steel frame building that collapsed even
>> from
>> intense fires leaving twisted framework.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:59 am
>> Subject: Re: 9-11 box cutters 11 september utility knives
>>
>> The boxcutter was just an example of one small thing I thought about that
>> troubled me and an attempt to clarify to myself and anyone interested why.
>> The
>> Other issues are quite large and have in no way been adequately addressed.
>> Why
>> did building seven, unstruck  except by minor debris and the fire that
>> started,
>> collapse. There has never been a steel frame building that collapsed even
>> from
>> intense fires leaving twisted framework.  Whatever hit the pentagon
>> followed a
>> path that no pilot could accomplish in a747. This is the fucking Pentagpn
>> and
>> there are no photos or film of a non scheduled flight entering their
>> airspace
>> which has a large perimeter warning system. The hole in the Pentagon is
>> too
>> small. The 2 engines never turned up.   Thermite. Explain some of this or
>> point
>> to a detailed explanation that is not a denial based on the idea that it
>> couldn't be done covertly..  Which leaves us with the explanation that a
>> covert
>> plan by the most powerful secretive forces could not do this but 12
>> alcohol
>> abusing foreigners who showed no aptitude for flight and some of whom were
>> on
>> FBI lists could.
>>
>> I have a real hard time with that.  As for perfect narratives, that is not
>> the
>> question. Credible physics concerning what is known is the question.  Did
>> Allah
>> suspend the conservation of mass?
>>
>> Slate magazine is a pathetic joke.
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Davis wrote:
>>
>> > RR> Life measured in such a detailed way will always bring to the
>> > surface much
>> that doesnt make sense
>> >
>> > I vehemently agree. What makes people believe that it must be possible
>> > to
>> reconstruct a 100% accurate, closed, consistent narrative of any but the
>> simplest historical moment? (And in "historical" I include last week.)
>> >
>> > In practice, the effort to do so *always* requires the selective -- or
>> tendentious -- exclusion of some dots that someone else will always insist
>> *must* be connected. See, e.g., Fred Kaplan on JFK assassination theories:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/11/john_f_kennedy_conspiracy_theories_debunked_why_the_magic_bullet_and_grassy.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 9/11 in essence in my mind is a massive intelligence failure.
>> > conspiracies
>> abound because people cant believe we didnt connect the dots or when we
>> did we
>> didnt share info or didn't deem it important enough. these bozos should
>> have
>> been caught but they weren't.
>> > I dont understand this 'I question the official narrative'--what
>> > narrative?
>> all those endless taps into each and every discrepancy or nuance of that
>> day and
>> the days leading up to it. Life measured in such a detailed way will
>> always
>> bring to the surface much that doesnt make sense or others imbued with a
>> significance important to the observer. an horrific event heightens this
>> to
>> unimaginable levels.
>> > I also just have to laugh about talk of knives and cowards. sure it
>> > takes
>> cour
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