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[Joseph Tracy]

Point taken. I was always skeptical of this premise, but there really was a point where I began to think the idea was more than hype. That it was getting very hard to keep secrets or prevent people from free and open communication.   And it was 9-11 and the consequent TIA program proposed by Cheney and fully reified under Obama that ended that, though not without a fight by Wikileaks anaonymous and others.  Now Snowden has brought the question into open debate and embarrassed The US empire more than anyone since Ellsberg.


On Nov 21, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:

>> The internet was the communication tool that could have induced a democratization of information and decision making but as BE shows, that dream is dead.  Only the earth itself seems to have a revolutionary option to overthrow the madness.
> 
> Oh come on,  Joseph. You never really  believed that the Internet
> could save us from our madness. Did you?
> 
> Did you or anyone else ever seriously believe that the Internet could
> induce democratization of information and decision making?
> 
> Oh,  come on. I though you smarter than that.
> 
> Did you ever believe this? I hope not.
> 
> BE doesn't show us that this was ever a possibility. It's the foolish
> dream of geeks who hoped, of course, to be the liberators and
> democratizers, as long as they got, well, to be cool, and like, a
> little rich.
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