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The worst possible "sin" here is war. Or, Defense as Orwell knew. 

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On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:15 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:

> If BE has a particular (perhaps encoded) argument to make about 11
> Sept, it's surely contradicted by the other focus of the novel - that
> is, if there's a truth to be learned about the events of that era, how
> are we supposed to glean it from The Internet?
> 
> Which... I don't know about you... but it's the only way I have to
> access any of this stuff. In spite of everything we learn on an almost
> daily basis, why do we put such naive faith in anything we read or see
> on this damned thing?
> 
> "It was conceived in sin, the worst possible..." Which sin is the
> worst possible? Is that made clear later in that section? I was
> mulling over that line last night and weighing up the sin it might be
> referring to. In regard to Pynchon I'm happy ruling out gluttony,
> lust, sloth.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Michael Bailey
> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pynchon - er, Maxine - mentioned one of the most compelling indicators, the
>> shorting of airline stock.  some people made money off it.  Maybe they were
>> just playing a hunch.
>> 
>> W /r/t BE which really is where I am interested in going, i'm trying to
>> remember where Norman Mailer wrote re the JFK assassination words to the
>> effect that this is a topic that will attract efforts from all the best
>> writers of this time. Maybe in the author's preface to Oswald's Story?
>> 
>> I remember that malignd has expressed admiration for Mr Mailer, so perhaps
>> would concur.
>> 
>> At any rate, it was worthy, in Mailer's estimation, of copious study and
>> evaluation, and resulted in a narrative marked by Mailer's interests and
>> passions: examining the character of Oswald in depth and spinning out
>> remarkable insights in many directions.
>> 
>> The same noteworthiness is true of 11 Sep, and apart from some of the scenes
>> in AtD, BE contains the bulk of Mr Pynchon's efforts in that direction, thus
>> far.
>> 
>> In accordance with the style he's developed it's not surprising that Mr
>> Pynchon wouldn't choose to ignore tantalizing hints of some sort of foul
>> play...and it's also not surprising that his take is more subtle than to be
>> taken in any kind of truther net. Suspicion of the US gov't is reasonable
>> after cointelpro, iran-contra, gulf of tonkin, etc etc - weepers, any # of
>> things, the 2000 presidential election! these things make the US a person of
>> interest in any crime hereabouts, remember it came out that FBI was, well,
>> not culpable but duked into the 1993 bombing? See emad salem eg.
>> 
>>  maxine's parents are opera habitues and antiwar demonstrators, but she is
>> of the new generation, clubgoing and following the money.  As the Ferengi
>> say, war is good for business.  And peace is good for business.  For Maxine,
>> as for Doc, foul play is a cash nexus, but who will foot the bill?
>> Following her cash trail, she gets money from Stu Gotts, from March's ex,
>> and from Windust's widow...
>> And of course Horst.  So her livelihood indicates there are those within
>> society who support investigation of fraud, for their own reasons, and
>> whether or not the investigator's credentials are current with the dominant
>> culture. How and why she chose that field isn't directly narrated except by
>> exposing her character, probably something like "that's where the fun is!"
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