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[Fiona Shnapple]

Who knows, but the fact that there are so many of these anachronisms, and
so many are obviously deliberate, suggestes that Mendelson is mistaken.
And, as I said, the subsequent novels are loaded with them, for deliberate
effect, humor and meta-historical perspective. The claim to truth and
history is deliberately undermined by the anachronisms.

We are forced into a kind of double consciousness. WEB dE bOIS.
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>wrote:

> And, considering how many drugs he was supposedly taking at the time of
> GR's writing I wouldn't be surprised if that Return of Jack Slade
> anachronism *was *a total lapse of memory.
> The timeline is unimportant, the means of oppression are the same?
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> He did the Simpsons thing, apparently, because Jackson loved the show.
>> Not saying he isn't aware of Pop Culture, but, for me, that bit about it
>> being a *means of oppression *stands out.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Robin Landseadel <
>> robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And then there's all that anecdotal stuff flying around the interwebs
>>> how Pynchon's crazy for Gilligan's Island and the Simpsons. Someone with
>>> that much attention directed towards popcult must at least have a little
>>> affection for the stuff.
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>>>
>>>  But is the ten year anachronism owed to Pynchon's lack of sufficient
>>>> interest? I don't think this is true. In fact, as the novels that followed
>>>> GR prove, anachrosnism are carefully and deliberately used by the author.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> P.'s apparent errors when it comes to pop culture references have been
>>>> remarked on often on this List, but my favorite quote concerning them
>>>> belongs to Edward Mendelson from his essay on GR:
>>>> "Gravity's Rainbow has on occasion been misunderstood as an endorsement
>>>> of popular culture in preference to "high" culture, but Pynchon is equally
>>>> insistent on the potential dangers that lie in absorption at either
>>>> extreme. The popular modes that Pynchon assimilates into his encyclopedia
>>>> of styles are never modes of liberation from the systems of oppression but
>>>> are instead a means of oppression and extinguishing. In his references to
>>>> popular forms, Pynchon incidentally commits historical errors of a kind
>>>> absent from his allusions to Rossini or Rilke: he is not, for example,
>>>> sufficiently interested in a film like The Return of Jack Slade to notice
>>>> that its inclusion in Gravity's Rainbow is a ten-year anachronism. "
>>>>
>>>
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