Mendelson's View of P's 2ble Visioner

[Markekohut]

Thanks, Jochen. Of course, but wasn't certain...

And to the question? 

On Oct 7, 2013, at 11:07 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's "in life's kitchen", and spoken by Maxine (, of course?).
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> 2013/10/7 Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>:
>> "Paranoia's the garlic in one's kitchen..you can never have too much"...a
>> character sez in BE..not looking up who until the Read....Pynchon parodying
>> himself? Pynchon parodying his READERS, first level " interpreters" ? I.e.
>> his ' media' understxanding? OR
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>> Just another groaner? Just another groaner anyway if parody?
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I am afraid that, in the duck-rabbit picture analogy, if one sees
>> satire/parody where the other sees
>> an inadequate presentation of ethnic types, the only response is "Look at it
>> this way, I think your
>> Response is .....not right"
>> 
>> Both could be wrong,of course.
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>> Many reviewers, readers, if not the posting Plisters, dunno, asked where was
>> the language, where was the lyricism, those incredible word-compacted scenes
>> that were in GR, when Vineland was  published. I, too, felt it but found,
>> finally, a different book.
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>> Vineland and its California-American cultural immersion may be the right
>> oeuvre analogy for the New York-global America immersion of Bleeding Edge.
>> 
>> especially since we know what he himself, at mid-life, said about CofL49. So
>> many want to pair
>> That with this one...'cause of a female protagonist? Flimsy, IMHO.
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>> It is the cultural immersiveness, the McLuhan-grounded insight that as
>> Godard put it, " movies are not a reflection of reality, but are the reality
>> of the reflection". New York is the reality of the reflection in Bleeding
>> Edge.
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>> Even all of the plisters who felt the parody of an upper West sIde Jew  who
>> was "a power-player from the margins" ..." Like Karl Rove"......was not
>> funny...........is one possible reason you thought it was not funny, or one
>> other way it wasn't right, was that that old stereotype of pastrami mafia (
>> in any way,) is over in NYC. so over, the humor is historically dated?
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Carvill John <johncarvill at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> << In BE, P's parody of his and our preoccupation with rich media culture is
>> a double in the sense that P saturates the prose, the dialogue, the
>> narrative with rich media culture to sit us down on the Simpson's couch so
>> we can see ourselves watching ourselves transmogrified into toons, into
>> tabloid talk, into real TV personalities, into video game avatars, etc.,
>> into a citizenship that has no privacy, no more than the Kardashians,
>> because we don't want it. We wnt our MTV, we want to go viral on Youtube
>> doing something so Twerky we are made into a celebrity. What's wrong with
>> being citizens, protecting ou neighbors, our grandparents, parents and
>> children, our privacy? But this only step one. The creative use of rich
>> media to parody rich media is step two. So P is not out to write abook that
>> simply says rich media is damageing to our liberty, to our greater culture.
>> That's too obvious, too much an old man's lament and screed. Co-opt it!
>> That's what he's done here. And it's so funny we need to laugh at it. And
>> laughter, along with the lament for what is wasted in poor medai land, is a
>> good tonic. >>
>> 
>> An interesting theory. Not that far removed form saying: "Since we live in a
>> vacant, trash obsessed culture, the author has presented us with a vacant,
>> trash-centric text..." To my mind, he would have served us better by writing
>> us a decent book!
>> 
>>> Mr P has given us another gift of his genius. Beleive it if you need it,
>>> if you don't, pass it on.
>> 
>> In as much as this seems to imply that those of us who don't like the new
>> book just don't 'get' it, this does not do much to lend credibility to your
>> interpretation.
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