This week in pointless trivia.

[Markekohut]

And I might add that the writer who focused on, gave us some insight into, the power dynamics of 
Unlovely lovemaking---sadomasochistic sex---still knows what he is doing in his observation of America in his lifetime. 

P might say, but he won't so I will, that most women in these United States are not like you two ( in lots of ways, some even noticeable on the plist) 

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On Oct 8, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Laura Kelber <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I've never understood the attraction either, Bekah, and I'm guessing that whatever the intellectual underpinnings,  this trope appeals to some sort of male fantasy- I don't know -  "if I were a fascist, I could get any chick I wanted, through coercion and/or attraction."? And the fantasy demands the pretense that it's really a female fantasy. Like the one where there's supposedly all these hot lesbian couples who are dying for a 3-way with a man. Never encountered any lesbians in real life who had that fantasy either. 
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> Laura
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> On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bekah<bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> Or, perhaps,  the love-hate relationship between the sexes.  Or perhaps some really basic instinct in women to go for the man they sense will best protect them physically -   strong with a gun, militaristic, safe - "law and order" type protection.  
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>> Bekah
>> never did understand the attraction but who knows - 
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>> On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:45 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
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>>> As mentioned before, I think that this has to do with the catholic element in Pynchon. The lefty woman fucking the fascist is Pynchon's standard illustration of original sin (aka inherent vice). The sexism in this is - think Genesis 3 - a very traditional one. Could also imagine that Sylvia Plath' famous line "Every woman adores a Fascist" (from "Daddy") is another influence here.
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>>> On 06.10.2013 22:33, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> I’m also getting pretty pissed off with Pynchon (who, otherwise, I consider one of the greatest authors of all time) for this Frenesi/Lake/Maxine/Tallis (and if the latter isn’t specifically fingered as Jewish, then why did he give her a Jewish name?) lefty-woman-who-fucks-fascists trope. Where does this come from? Where are the examples, and why does he keep portraying the daughters of the left this way? And why all the shopping and pole-dancing crap. Is this supposed to convince us that Pynchon understands women? It’s insulting and sexist. Enough already!
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