The BEER Group Read: Who's asking anyway?

[Mark Kohut]

Ah, 'late capitalism' is the murderer. ! Of almost all, even those
not dead at the end? 

Yes, maybe more logical associatively. 

"late capitalism', which we all live in, as all in this book live in,
gets away with our lives........


----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Rawling-Endicott <cendicot at gmail.com>
To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: The BEER Group Read: Who's asking anyway?

First, I really liked this book. Part of that could be circumstantial-
I was immersed in new media theory at college as well as a web
designer in the mid to late 90s and a lot of the details ring true for
me.

I was reading it as if late capitalism was the the murderer. And part
of the skill set of the late capitalists is to throw focus on others
while getting away with murder, so for example, New York is a suspect.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm on this like foam on BEER;  I'm gonna slobber, spill and bloviate. So,
> if this novel is "about' late capitalism" and
> if it is a murder mystery, then is it 'late capitalism' that is murdered
> here, so to speak? Is that the set in the past
> hint's meaning?
>
> And, if New York is 'the enigmatic suspect' (but not the murderer) what
> means that? The place, the atmosphere of
> the place? The condition for the murdering? I can't find it now but someone
> sent a terrif tidbit about NYC from V......
> which I have mentally reduced to arid, soulless, inanimate all over........
>
> Hey, P finds cities, esp NY, not cool. Any different here? Because it is set
> here and Maxine lives here (with kids)? As
> P does with his wife and kid?
>
>
>
> From: Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: The BEER Group Read: Who's asking anyway?
>
> Go ahead, man. I'm about 300 pages in. Wasn't getting it at first. Lots of
> negative comments from folks here. Now, I'm already saying to myself, "I
> have to read this again", and I'm not even through the first read!
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm starting early because it is a long weekend, I talk too much when I'm
> interested, I have lots of saved SPAM to feed y'all
> and ...."Who wants to know.. anyway?" ,,,,,Yes, that's a BE allusion but
> relevant as
> so many plisters have decided to drop off "the bleedin' edge", as our
> English
> listers might put it. Who does still want to know?
>
> Jill, we've had lotsa substance here on the List since you asked for it.
> With two hosts dropping out and all the spots not yet taken, I hope this
> BEER doesn't go the
> way of the Unfinished. But, who knows....Plisters seem to like early,
> overarching Gestalt readings rather than
> group crawls, life and all and everything else. At least since Against the
> Day.
>
> That's the way it is on W.A.S.T.E.
>
> I quote Nabokov's "There is no reading, only rereading" too often. I guess
> because I like it. I mean, if V. NABOKOV
> can tell us he had to read CRIME & PUNISHMENT 3! (three!) times to get its
> greatness, who ya gonna call now?
> I'm calling Vladimir.
>
>  I'm going to quote and point to the text; I'm goin' to try to describe the
> phenomenon
> of the prose,---"you can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose
> style", Vlad had Humbert say; explore aspects of the style(s); explain (some
> of) the jokes; explore 'hidden' meanings, allusions and P's tropes and many
> 'obvious' things (that will make many groan before they delete) that will be
> done under this principle: Every word a real writer chooses MATTERS. Could
> have been different. Why these?  EVERY scene is there for some reason
> (within the book);  every character is, at least, an embodiment of some kind
> of meaning within the author's vision. From Shakespeare (and earlier of
> course) thru
> Alice Munro, we can feel it, often, and try to say why. As Wood did on
> Munro's subtle simplicity of style, for example.
>
> FYI. I have not read anything on the pynchon wiki yet re BLEEDING EDGE, only
> the good (heh, heh) reviews and the plist postings. I know
> some of where I stand. I hope to broaden my stance with this reading.
>
> I will ask questions that I hope will invite the jumping in. I will offer
> opinions that should get me attacked.
> I will be wrong. I might be right. I will be right (on some stuff).
>
> You can start by tasering me for this self-important, surely pretentious
> introduction to my hosting---hey, sorry I don't
> have enough of a real life, but, who's asking anyway?
>
>
> Prolegomenon:
> The expressed (by Pycnohn) description "set in the early days of the
> internet" accents for me what some have been
> sayin', BLEEDING EDGE is presented as an historical novel despite its
> near-contemporaneity. This line, since
> the internet is not that old (in historic time) yet, will be in some distant
> future. This description also echoes certain
> sci-fi ways of placing, to me...."in a galaxy, etc"..comes to me but other
> books and movies that allude to the last time
> things were normal, etc......Others see this?
> And, of course, this fits right in with all the late capitalism
> references.....this book, this artifact is a late capitalism artifact
> now that whatever comes next has come--it kinda, almost implies, no?
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