BEER Group Read. Bruce Winterslow and Vyrva McElmo

[Mark Kohut]

Try natural light vs. non-natural....Light Over the Ranges, sun, sun, sun....

Vs. streetlights, say.....bad shit from book one.....yes, David Morris....

----- Original Message -----
From: John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com>
To: Fiona Shnapple <fionashnapple at gmail.com>
Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: BEER Group Read. Bruce Winterslow and Vyrva McElmo

I'm not sold on the idea of light as a positive in Pynchon's writing,
however - light is the bomb blast, the fateful morning, the quelling
of shadows, the constant roar of the sun Slothrop is finally illumined
to in its unusual absence. It's always night, or else we wouldn't need
light. Light is closer to Blicero.

And light and space-time are inextricably linked in AtD, as far as
this physics-impoverished reader can tell. To find alternatives to
history involves travelling through darkness.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Fiona Shnapple
<fionashnapple at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for these insights and inter textual connections.
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013, John Bailey wrote:
>>
>> Bleeding Edge seems time-obsessed. We might even get [SPOILER] the
>> origins of AtD's trespassers, maybe not. I'm also thinking of M&D's
>> clock conversation, in which they're charged with keeping different
>> geo-times while occupying the same space. Seems pertinent. Seems like
>> something P has been trying to do (and also problematising) his whole
>> career. BE is trying to render a time-space (NY 2001) both ruptured
>> and continuous.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Bruce Slow as Winter? and Vyrva, physically slow, 'a West Coast' thing,
>> > "not
>> > nearly time-obsessed enough".
>> >
>> > Then Pynchon jumps back in time---the looseness, the looseness; "he can
>> > do it anytime"-- to "before [Maxine and Vyrva] got to know each other"
>> > when Maxine saw her as a California type who must surely drink herbal
>> > tea.
>> >
>> > Mediated seeing. Seeing in stereotypes. Even our 'fraud detective' of
>> > some supposed acuity.
>> > -
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