Chabon on BE

[rich]

solely a personal bias--I just don't find the daily ordinary goings on of
families and children in fiction, dysfunctional or not, all that
interesting or compelling, I like characters on the margins of life
>From what I've read of Chabon, I find his writing competent not
extraordinary. I have a limited life on this planet; I want extraordinary,
Under The Volcano/GR extraordinary
maybe I've just outgrown the counter-culture mind-set, too. not sure what I
am at the moment. I'm from NYC, not Maxine's NYC, more like Underworld's
Nick Shay's NYC. re-reading Underworld. much of it is extraordinary writing
but that I feel is what I'm after. but I understand its my own bias.

p.s. I just bought a shit load of ross macdonald

rich

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>wrote:

> Can you be more specific than “bugs me”..? And doesn’t “like X would
> write” work both ways? Last March I posted some passages from Telegraph
> Avenue that nod to Pynchon in both matter and style, adding that Chabon
> is ****
>
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> “no less his own writer for being as Pynch-y as can be this time around…
> Not lesser, not copy-cat, no ranking or hierarchy asserted or implied.
> Chabon's nods to TRP are conscious, smiling, and peer-to-peer assured…  Telegraph
> Avenue has crime and consequences skipping down the generations, too, but
> that doesn't make it a copy of AtD -- or of Ross Macdonald's California
> Oresteias, for that matter.” ****
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> After reading Chabon’s review of BE I wish I’d said more about Telegraph
> Avenue’s parents, children, and stories told/withheld between them: very
> roughly, in both novels conspiracy theories are to history as children’s
> apprehensions and misapprehensions are to family. It doesn’t bug me that P
> and C, born a generation apart, should be working the same parental patch.
>   ****
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> *From:* owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] *On
> Behalf Of *rich
> *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 11:46 AM
> *To:* Mark Kohut
> *Cc:* John Bailey; Robin Landseadel; pynchon-l at waste.org
> *Subject:* Re: Chabon on BE****
>
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> just a thought****
>
> Has Pynchon written a book much like one Chabon, Lthem, and co. would
> write. seems to me to be so. still bugs me****
>
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> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:*
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> Yeah, you are righter on than me.....****
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>; "pynchon-l at waste.org"
> <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Chabon on BE
>
> Very nice piece (with spoilers as to the last line, which is very bold!)
>
> The kids are central to BE and he gets that it's not really just about
> some idea of innocence or 'family is all' as some reviewers have
> lamely suggested is his cop-out.
>
> Pay attention to the scene when the kids get on a plane with Horst and
> only one looks back at Maxine. Foreshadowing.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > so fine...i remember him loving on AtD.
> >
> > I think we have been exploring P's ironies and self-referential
> parodies---again, given away in the trailer---but we
> > haven't yet  mentioned the kids......innocence in Pynchon as Chabon
> sez......
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Chabon on BE
> >
> > How to Read a Postmodern Novel like a Postmodern Novelist.
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
> >
> >> cool.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Charles Albert <cfalbert at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/nov/07/thomas-pynchon-crying-september-11/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=October+17+2013&utm_content=October+17+2013+CID_06ff9c37396f9b996a0043559c3f24c2&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=The%20Crying%20of%20September%2011
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> >>> Excuse the ungainly url.
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> >>> love,
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