The Bombing War

[rich]

Still it was rather surprising after the fact that even that late in the
war, the civilian population in Germany, many hating Hitler more for not
winning than for being Hitler (why are we all still fascinated by this
guy?) stood with the regime. Easy for us to question now and for the Allies
to question then, of course

am looking forward to reading the book, not out in the US yet.


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:

> Well, of course: Our People under the Blitz will keep calm and carry on,
> strengthened by the bulldog determination of Winston Churchill. Their
> People under the thousand-bomber raids will panic and reject the ravings of
> those madmen Hitler and Tojo. That’s only common sense.    ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Beshear
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:06 PM
> *To:* Monte Davis; 'rich'; pynchon-l at waste.org
> *Subject:* Re: The Bombing War****
>
> ** **
>
> Our military STILL has too high an opinion of bombing to force compliance,
> demoralise an opponent, etc.****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net> ****
>
> *To:* 'rich' <richard.romeo at gmail.com> ; pynchon-l at waste.org ****
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:28 AM****
>
> *Subject:* RE: The Bombing War****
>
> ** **
>
> The Overy book is the best wrap-up to date of what has gradually become
> accepted among historians since we (and the UK) got over our Twelve
> O'Clock High <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041996/>: that “strategic”
> bombing of Germany simply didn’t make much difference to the war, and was
> pursued mostly because (1) interwar doctrine had grotesquely exaggerated
> how accurate and effective it would be, (2) the UK and US had already
> invested in large heavy-bomber forces, and (3) there was no other way of
> striking directly at Germany from the summer of 1940 to the winter of 1945,
> and it was thought psychologically/politically necessary to be doing *
> something*.****
>
> ** **
>
> The same factors were at work in Germany’s use of the  V1 and V2, once its
> armies were in retreat and its remaining aircraft were defending them or
> the  homeland. And of course, once you accept that Allied bombing of
> Germany was as much “terror bombing” as Guernica or Rotterdam or the Blitz
> or Stalingrad had been (simply because none of them were accurate enough to
> be anything else), the V-weapons of 1944-45 are still new and scary – but
> basically more of the same, at least until their technological descendants
> get nuclear warheads..****
>
> ** **
>
> The reviewer notes the roots in British colonial campaigns. Given more
> recent events, it’s good snarky fun to recall Secretary for War Churchill
> championing bombing of Iraqi rebels in 1920 (and recommending poison gas).
> In  fact, though, the experience of the static, bloody Western Front in WWI
> – and the desire not to repeat it -- was much more important. The Germans
> emphasized fast-moving armor and tactical air to win before trench lines
> could solidify, while the UK (and to some extent the US) hoped to “leap
> over” battlefronts and knock out the factories and transport that supplied
> the armies.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org<owner-pynchon-l at waste.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *rich
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:49 AM
> *To:* “pynchon-l at waste.org“
> *Subject:* The Bombing War****
>
> ** **
>
> Richard Over's new book, a door-stopper about the air campaign in the
> second world war has been getting rave reviews. could shed some insight on
> things Pynchon
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/27/bombing-war-europe-richard-overy-review
>
> If the blitz was the first independent strategic bombing offensive, it was
> followed soon by a much larger offensive on the part of the British, where,
> exceptionally, military doctrine favoured the independent use of bombers.
> The strategy was developed following attempts to suppress colonial
> uprisings, where long distances and poor communications had made it
> difficult to deploy ground forces effectively. Bomber Command, above all
> under Arthur Harris, became, in Overy's words, a "sorceror's apprentice",
> whose activities eventually far outran the control of its political masters.
> ****
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://waste.org/pipermail/pynchon-l/attachments/20131018/29192bd9/attachment.html>