Chabon on BE

[Keith Davis]

This sounds like a description of "free jazz".

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> On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:40 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> TAZ.  Not heard of this before, but it is right in line with Pynchon's Zone in GR, written much earlier, even P's proposed We-system that employs purposeful illogic as a counter to the prevailing They-system:
> 
> The book describes the socio-political tactic of creating temporary spaces that elude formal structures of control.[1] The essay uses various examples from history and philosophy, all of which suggest that the best way to create a non-hierarchical system of social relationships is to concentrate on the present and on releasing one's own mind from the controlling mechanisms that have been imposed on it.
> In the formation of a TAZ, Bey argues, information becomes a key tool that sneaks into the cracks of formal procedures. A new territory of the moment is created that is on the boundary line of established regions. Any attempt at permanence that goes beyond the moment deteriorates to a structured system that inevitably stifles individual creativity. It is this chance at creativity that is real empowerment.
> 
>> On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich Clavey wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone
>> 
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>> On Sun, 10/20/13, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: Chabon on BE
>>  To: "Rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>  Cc: "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com>, "Michael Bailey" <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>, "P-list" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>  Date: Sunday, October 20, 2013, 5:56 PM
>> 
>>  But Pynchon's main point about all
>>  these Zones is their brief existence.  Small temporary
>>  places beyond the reach of enslaving power.  Always to be
>>  briefly enjoyed before those spaces are colonized or
>>  reclaimed.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich  wrote:
>>  As I've said before
>>  Pynchon has left preterite somewheres
>> 
>> 
>>  On Oct 20, 2013, at 3:21 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  It is an analogy, and
>>  only one of many possible zones.  Not that I espouse this
>>  kind of zonal paradise.  It just seems Pynchon repeated
>>  model.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich  wrote:
>> 
>>  But what good is it if only accessible by the well
>>  connected (haha)?
>> 
>>  Hardly a paradise, no?
>>  rich
>>  On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:22 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I think DA is supposed to
>>  be internet Zone, anarchy, a place w/o rules or rulers.
>>  Pynchon Paradise. What is it "for?"  Wrong
>>  question. What for do you want to make it?
>> 
>> 
>>  David Morris
>> 
>>  On Saturday, October 19, 2013, John Bailey  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yeah, I'm a bit confused about
>>  DeepArcher too... as far as I can tell,
>> 
>>  it's a program lodged in the deep web, which as you say
>>  is basically
>> 
>>  the "place" where IP addresses aren't
>>  connected to DNS so won't show
>> 
>>  up on any search engine, and you need a direct link or
>>  knowledge of
>> 
>>  the specific IP address to access it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  So that kind of makes sense - DeepArcher is a program with
>>  Second
>> 
>>  Life-like aspects that can't be accessed unless you have
>>  the key. And
>> 
>>  later on the security of the fortress is compromised, and
>>  then the
>> 
>>  gates are just thrown open and it basically leaves the Deep
>>  Web and is
>> 
>>  accessible from the surface.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  What I really don't get is what the *hell* the program
>>  is for. A
>> 
>>  Second Life that only a handful of people can get into? And
>>  do what?
>> 
>>  The descriptions of Maxine's early journeys around the
>>  place make it
>> 
>>  seem like a point-and-click adventure game with no mystery
>>  to it or
>> 
>>  reason to play further. Except it has stunning graphics, for
>>  the
>> 
>>  era...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  At first I thought it was a navigation system for travelling
>>  through
>> 
>>  the Deep Web but that doesn't really seem right, since
>>  it would
>> 
>>  basically be a search engine with graphical interface for
>>  finding the
>> 
>>  IP addresses of places that aren't meant to be findable.
>>  Which would
>> 
>>  be exactly the thing that would pose a threat to the entire
>>  meaning of
>> 
>>  the Deep Web, even if you could erase your footsteps the way
>>  DA
>> 
>>  promises.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Anyway, maybe that's the point - that this supposedly
>>  subversive
>> 
>>  method of total anonymity itself provides the architecture
>>  for control
>> 
>>  and surveillance and some sweet home shopping.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Michael Bailey
>> 
>>  <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  >
>> 
>>  > On Oct 19, 2013 7:09 PM, "Monte Davis" <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>  >>
>> 
>>  >> Chabon is careless there. Ernie's capsule
>>  history is not *historically*
>> 
>>  >> baseless: yes, DARPA did fund some of the IT
>>  research leading to TCP/IP
>> 
>>  >> and
>> 
>>  >> packet switching. And yes, the Cold War
>>  justification for that funding
>> 
>>  >> *was*
>> 
>>  >> to develop a network technology that could
>>  "work around" servers knocked
>> 
>>  >> out
>> 
>>  >> by enemy attack, so that government could keep
>>  communicating.
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