Chabon on BE

[David Morris]

Max's guilt is Pynchon's.  Very affluent with a conscience.

David Morris

On Monday, October 21, 2013, David Morris wrote:

> Manhattan is the Elect's Home Central.  At least a Million per bedroom,
> going on two. Cockroaches pay rent there. Preterite R Us.
>
> Maxine is a high rent act.  Not "working mom" in a normal world.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2013, Rich wrote:
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> Still sounds elitist to me
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:56 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> But Pynchon's main point about all these Zones is their brief existence.
>  Small temporary places beyond the reach of enslaving power.  Always to be
> briefly enjoyed before those spaces are colonized or reclaimed.
>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich wrote:
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> As I've said before Pynchon has left preterite somewheres
>
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 3:21 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It is an analogy, and only one of many possible zones.  Not that I espouse
> this kind of zonal paradise.  It just seems Pynchon repeated model.
>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2013, Rich wrote:
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> But what good is it if only accessible by the well connected (haha)?
>
> Hardly a paradise, no?
>
> rich
>
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:22 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think DA is supposed to be internet Zone, anarchy, a place w/o rules or
> rulers. Pynchon Paradise. What is it "for?"  Wrong question. What for do
> you want to make it?
>
> David Morris
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2013, John Bailey wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm a bit confused about DeepArcher too... as far as I can tell,
> it's a program lodged in the deep web, which as you say is basically
> the "place" where IP addresses aren't connected to DNS so won't show
> up on any search engine, and you need a direct link or knowledge of
> the specific IP address to access it.
>
> So that kind of makes sense - DeepArcher is a program with Second
> Life-like aspects that can't be accessed unless you have the key. And
> later on the security of the fortress is compromised, and then the
> gates are just thrown open and it basically leaves the Deep Web and is
> accessible from the surface.
>
> What I really don't get is what the *hell* the program is for. A
> Second Life that only a handful of people can get into? And do what?
> The descriptions of Maxine's early journeys around the place make it
> seem like a point-and-click adventure game with no mystery to it or
> reason to play further. Except it has stunning graphics, for the
> era...
>
> At first I thought it was a navigation system for travelling through
> the Deep Web but that doesn't really seem right, since it would
> basically be a search engine with graphical interface for finding the
> IP addresses of places that aren't meant to be findable. Which would
> be exactly the thing that would pose a threat to the entire meaning of
> the Deep Web, even if you could erase your footsteps the way DA
> promises.
>
> Anyway, maybe that's the point - that this supposedly subversive
> method of total anonymity itself provides the architecture for control
> and surveillance and some sweet home shopping.
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Michael Bailey
> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2013 7:09 PM, "Monte Davis" <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chabon is careless there. Ernie's capsule history is not *historically*
> >> baseless: yes, DARPA did fund some of the IT research leading to TCP/IP
> >> and
> >> packet switching. And yes, the Cold War justification for that funding
> >> *was*
> >> to develop a network technology that could "work around" servers knocked
> >> out
> >> by enemy attack, so that government could keep communicating.
> >>
> >
> > One of my other favorite authors, John Crowley, in _The Translator_
> > made the female protagonist's dad a darpa dude and evoked those times
> > wonderfully.
> >
> > If we were gonna get crazy and do a non-p group read like we did a few
> yrs
> > back - I guess I finally thought of the one I'd suggest (-:
> >
> > But getting back to BE, I sort of have a question about this deep web
> where
> > Deep Archer resides - does that correspond to anything nonfictional?  I
> mean
> > are we talking about using a browser to navigate to some bare IP address
> > known not to dns at all but only to the cognoscenti? Afaik there were
> bbses,
> > ftp and gopher, and then all of a sudden there was yahoo and aol and urls
> > b
>
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