BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher

Fiona Shnapple fionashnapple at gmail.com
Tue Oct 29 17:27:14 CDT 2013


How would it be if we applied this method to every word? Why have we worked
this one word over, tortured it under the blinding light of ambiguity,
subjected it to searches by crawling engines, and locked it in a dim cell
of conspiracy? The register? We are not used to seeing this word in this
kind of sentence? Is that it? Does it seem such an unusual word if it is
not in the sentence with the other one, the very odd word, a noun, an
invention of Pynchon that is far more ambiguous? So now we have two? So the
meaning of legend, or, as you suggest, meanings, are dependent on the other
word. Maybe we should torture it and see what it will divulge about the
other.




Why not all of these meanings combined?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Fiona Shnapple <fionashnapple at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> The written explanatory matter accompanying an illustration, map, etc.
>
> Working chronologically thru the OED, this one shows up in late
> capitalism, in the 20th century. And, as P is fond of maps and
> mapping, I'm gonna go with it. That's only if I have to play this game
> of Scrabble?
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > I’m leaning to yours, David, but not 100% sold on any suggestion so far.
> > Consider context: Ziggy has just handed Maxine a flyer for March
> Kelleher’s
> > website,  autographed by March at the school assembly.
> >
> >
> >
> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ The hashslingrz
> legend
> > continues, here. March Kelleher happens to be Gabriel Ice’s
> mother-in-law…”
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.      Legend = cover story (maybe via Le Carre): March’s relationship
> to
> > Ice is a fact, not  part of a false identity or a deceptive background
> for
> > Ice or his company.
> >
> > 2.      Legend = saga, lore, myth: I’m not sure how it makes Ice or
> > hashslingrz more “legendary,” or affects their reputation at all,  to
> know
> > that his mother-in-law spoke at Kugelblitz
> >
> > 3.      Legend = key to interpretation: Maxine has not seen March for
> 10-15
> > years, and right now the only current information she has is that Marsh
> > talked about Bush and Saudi Arabia at the school assembly. That *might*
> > connect somehow, somewhere with the hashslingrz/Middle East hints on pp.
> > 47-48 – in fact we know it will --  but at this moment, is it enough to
> > justify “the key to interpretation (of what hashslingrz is up to) has
> been
> > extended by this”..?
> >
> >
> >
> > For what it’s worth, this sentence was a last-minute substitution. In the
> > ARC, the passage read:
> >
> >
> >
> > “’Hey, so you saw March. Well. In fact, well well.’ She recognizes the
> name,
> > all right, March Kelleher is Gabriel Ice’s mother-in-law, for one thing,
> her
> > daughter Tallis and Ice having been…”
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Morris [mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:14 PM
> > To: jochen stremmel
> > Cc: Monte Davis; Thomas Eckhardt; pynchon -l
> > Subject: Re: BEER Ch. 6, 53-57: knotting into March Kelleher
> >
> >
> >
> > Legend in this sense means a key to interpretation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Like Rosetta Stone,
> >
> > On Monday, October 28, 2013, jochen stremmel wrote:
> >
> > I think you are right, Monte. Pynchon's use of "legend" here is in the
> > sense saga, lore, myth, not like Le Carré's usage, which might not be
> > MI6 argot but a Germanism, "Legende" in the sense of cover story for a
> > spy. I didn't look it up again in his books.
> >
> > And Thomas is right, of course, with the "Schlageter" quote.
> > Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry offers two translation of the
> > original German: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Johst. And tells
> > that March is not alone with her misattribution to Goering.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/28 Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>:
> >> TE> Having just read some of Le Carré's novels, I find this reading of
> >> 'legend' quite convincing. This would suggest that hashslingerz is a CIA
> >> front, no?
> >>
> >> It's a tenuous association: I take Le Carre's usage to be MI6 argot, but
> >> (1)
> >> don't remember seeing "legend" used that way in espionage fiction by
> >> others;
> >> (2) don't know that TRP has read JLC, his peer in paranoia and
> >> hustle/counter-hustle; and (3) don't often see Maxine as thinking
> spy-wise
> >> rather than PI-wise. (Of course, one could debate whether that sentence
> >> speaks for Maxine or the narrator over her shoulder.)
> >>
> >> In any event, there are plenty of more compelling links between Gabriel
> >> Ice
> >> and the Permanent Government. This one's quite possibly
>
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