Targets? Goals? Motive? Strategy?

[Keith Davis]

This gets right to the real heart of the issue, Laura.


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> One person's conspiracy rant is another person's impassioned argument.
> Joseph didn't provide a motive, but he provided an ideological slant, which
> supersedes a narrow motive. What is Obama's ideology? Pro-corporate, and of
> the mindset held by every president of the US since, say, the
> Spanish-American War, that the US must expand it's hegemony (over land, oil
> -- the premise has evolved over time) or perish. Bombing Syria to send a
> message to Iran (or as a possible entrance strategy into war with Iran)
> makes perfect sense in that context.
>
> I don't consider Obama the epitome of evil (and, for the record, I didn't
> consider Bush the epitome of evil either). I think, within the limits of
> this standard-issue (for presidents) ideology, he genuinely believes he's
> doing what's right for America - safeguarding our foothold in the oil-rich
> Middle East, without which our economy, as currently designed, would
> collapse. Protecting corporate profits and keeping their taxes low, lest
> they abandon America (which they're doing anyway), leaving us to become a
> less-than-world-class nation of dirt farmers, co-ops and mom-and-pop shops.
> If he didn't have this ideology, MSNBC (General Electric, Microsoft -owned
> network) and the various power-brokers wouldn't have supported him. They'd
> have found a sexual secret (John Edwards), or, failing that, say he yelled
> too loud (Howard Dean).
>
> Laura
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris **
> ****
>
> First off, you have yet to provide any motive for Obama.  What does he
> want, and how do his actions work toward his goals?
>
> You have made no arguments.  I don't think you have any.  You have only
> endless and groundless accusations of ill will and bad faith.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Joseph Tracy wrote:
>
>> Fist off, your notion that Obama doesn't want to do this is the most
>> absurd and laughably wrong idea on the table.
>>
>> What makes a list of war crimes ranting? Anyway, argue with Fisk since
>> you refuse to respond to my arguments with any thing even approximating
>> reason.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>
>> > If Iran is the real target...
>> >
>> > ...then please elaborate on THAT!
>> >
>> > All you have offered for "debate" are ranting lists of past US
>> duplicities, and full-faith surety than no good is afoot.
>> > And, like Alice, you are prodigious.
>> >
>> > A good conspiracy demands a secret plan of cunning and logic.
>>  Boogetyman rattle dances won't suffice.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > Former Iranian President Slams Syria for Gassing own People: Sign of
>> deep Divisions in Tehran
>> >
>> > http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/president-gassing-divisions.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Joseph Tracy wrote:
>> >
>> > Robert Fisk and others propose that Iran is the real target.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iran-not-syria-is-the-wests-real-target-8789506.html
>> >
>> > On Sep 3, 2013, at 10:25 AM, David Morris wrote:
>> > You have yet to posit motive for the US.  Do you think Obama wants to
>> get involved in that mess?  If so, why?
>>
>>  ******
>
>


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