The Real Conspiracy

[Joseph Tracy]

That  seems a major reason for the popular resistance. Hard  for people to believe Washington gives a shit about people in the US let alone Syria. Why should ordinary folks chip in for another bombing run for justice.  
 
Competing delusional psyops. Real bombs.  At any rate we all give our rat's asses whether we want to or not. 

Call or email your congressperson. It can't hurt. If congress stops the war maybe people will get into stopping bad shit and getting representatives who work for them instead of being courtiers for one of the corporate parties. 


On Sep 9, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Rich wrote:

> What cause might that be? I'm lucky enough getting thru each day. Thats my cause. Who has the time to be concerned?
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> On Sep 9, 2013, at 7:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Bad shit is happening now.  How many rat's asses have you given to the cause?  Any cause?
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>> There is never any objective reality to anything anywhere.  Just perceptions and interpretations, and hopefully dialogue, shared perceptions.  And power writes history, until the next power digs up its own history, and buries the old version.  Ad Infinitum. I think this is all in V.  I still have my copy.
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>> Isn't the Internet great!?
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>> David Morris
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>> On Monday, September 9, 2013, rich wrote:
>> have any of you read V.? do any of you really give a rats ass about Syria? bad shit's gonna happen no matter how well you state your argument
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>> 'He had decided long ago that no Situation had any objective reality'
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>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:25 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed, Alice.
>> That said, in this particular intelligence intercepted panicked communication between field and HQ indicates this was not a top-down action.  Not Assad's order.
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>> On Monday, September 9, 2013, alice wellintown wrote:
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>> To remind Israel and others, Turkey, the US, its enemies that, while Syria does not have nukes, or a great defense, or great allies in the region,  accurate and powerful weapons it can use, against an attack by Israel, others, it has chemical weapons and it can, and will use them.  
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Bekah <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I'm curious as to why Assad would use poison gas on children from his own country.   I know that Hitler wanted to eliminate Jews and that's been the sort of thinking which has gone along with these types of mass atrocities - just get rid of the perceived enemy.   So -  does Assad want to eliminate his own citizen children?  Are they the children of the rebels?   I've not heard anything about the line of Assad's thinking.
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>> One possibility I've come up with is that it's a ploy (possibly factual) to get the US involved and stir up a huge anti-American/West sentiment in the entire Middle East and elsewhere - possibly reason for attack,  etc.  ???
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>> Thoughts?  Why would Assad attack the children? What reason (rational or not) could he have?
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>> Bekah
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>> On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/strategy-missile-strikes.html
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>> > Are there any grand strategy considerations behind the Obama administration’s desire to bomb Syria? Yes, though they rest on doubtful premises.
>> > The increasing importance of al-Qaeda-linked radical Sunni fundamentalist groups to the civil war in the north of Syria has posed a dilemma for the Obama administration, which began calling for the ouster of President Bashar al-Assad in late spring of 2011.
>> > The US now doesn’t want the regime to fall relatively quickly as in Libya, because the al-Qaeda affiliates have become too powerful and could well take over Damascus. Highly undesirable. The US does not want that outcome, and neither do Israel or Saudi Arabia, the two pillars of US policy in the region.
>> > So US policy is to join with Saudi Arabia and Jordan to encourage a second front at Deraa with anti-al-Qaeda fighters a la sons of Iraq and limiting access for heavy weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra at the northern front by intercepting them in Turkey. Turkey and Qatar are upset with this policy and both try to subvert it, undisturbed by the al-Qaeda tendencies of their allies.
>> > So far the Sons of Syria haven’t exactly come together quickly, and this strategy is likely a multi-year effort. It also has the potential for provoking a Syria-Jordan War, since Jordan is clearly the base.
>> > The chemical attack in Ghouta seems likely a military response to these Jordan-trained, Deraa-based guerrillas coming up into Rif Dimashq. The Obama administration’s plans for a missile strike in response to the chemical attack is part of the southern, “Sons of Syria” strategy comes because that strategy cannot succeed if the regime is allowed to use chemical weapons to level the playing field. The US will therefore threaten the Baath regime with a rapid Libya-like overthrow, with US air support given to the rebel cause, if Damascus goes on using chemicals. The US hopes that the Baath will be afraid of a Libya scenario and will therefore agree to fight fair, and then the US, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will continue with the ‘Sons of Syria’ strategy with the further fighting playing out with conventional weapons.
>> > In the meantime, the radical Sunnis of the north will be left in place but starved of the resources needed to make further progress against the regime there. The US strike will not only punish the regime for chemical weapons use but also opportunistically attempt to degrade some regime capabilities, presumably especially those useful in the Deraa-Rif Dimashq front.
>> > There are three big problems with the US intervention strategy:
>> > 1. There is enormous space f