Watching the news w Pynchon yet, able to breathe, luckily.

[Ian Livingston]

A-and the wars they are fighting are for the cartels, not any country.
People here revere and protect them out of obedience to propaganda.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:17 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that the door to police work is open from the wars, and the
> current wars, the longest wars, have opened revolving doors, that is,
> soldiers who join police and then return to war and then return to
> police and corrections. So, the abuse of prisoners in the theaters of
> war, and in the abuse of citizens in the prisons here and the same
> with the neighborhoods. Moreover, those that have been to war,
> especially those that have been in the most dangerous areas and jobs,
> are revered by the others and have a sway over the group psychology
> and the culture of the police, so enforcement is emphasized.
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
> > This has been true since the vets of Vietnam - I don’t know about Korea
> or prior.  And they bring with them a whole lot of baggage from the mindset
> they went in with to the PTSD they got while on active duty.
> >
> > http://discoverpolicing.org/find_your_career/?fa=military_veterans
> >
> > Bek
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> You may be right, Mark. I would only add that in NYC a close
> >> examination of the legacy of
> >> Bernard Kerik is worth looking into. The wars, Obama's wars now, are
> >> revolving doors for soldiers who work in NYC corrections, and on the
> >> police department. While the so-called progressive mayor disappointed
> >> most of his supporters with his appointment of Bratton, the recent
> >> resignations, "retirements" of Black and Latino leadership is even
> >> more frightening...the recruiting of whites from the suburbs, and the
> >> placement of rookies in the toughest assignments (for example in the
> >> Pink) is an other problem, a union, seniority problem that has an
> >> apartheid impact on housing, education, courts...etc...so, a complex
> >> web or entrenched power, but the wars, the fucking wars, and the way
> >> the wars are brought home to poor neighborhoods is the major problem
> >> here in NYC.
> >>
> >> David, though awkwardly, is on to something when he speaks of the
> >> body. Matthew Pratt Guterl, in the The Guardian, takes on this issue
> >> recently:
> >>
> >> This fear and fascination with the superhuman black male body is a
> >> longstanding sightline – a “racial script”, as the historian Natalia
> >> Molina calls it – in which a confused, delusional vision of the
> >> dangerous black male body is repeatedly invoked as a reason for some
> >> terrible, violent response. This is the story of Emmett Till and Eric
> >> Garner, and a thousand stories in between. It is a reminder that the
> >> story of King Kong is a metaphor for racial fear. It also points, as
> >> Khalil Gibran Muhammad reminds us, to the myth of the coked-up
> >> criminal, immunized from pain and impossible to bring down. We should
> >> be recognizing that each and every one of these dehumanizing fears is
> >> dangerously – and tragically false – but time and time again, we
> >> refuse to admit it.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> we have read Pynchon's essay on the mind of Watts.
> >>>
> >>> I Repeat that Radney Balko's The Militarization of the Police
> >>> traced the start of SWAT teams to the LAPD as an organizational
> response
> >>> To those riots.
> >>>
> >>> for 40+ years, and esp since 9/11, the police departments all over the
> United States
> >>> Have militarized themselves, prepared for " riots" instead of "
> freedom of assembly",  have allowed o'er the top Jacobean-like revengeful
> anger to build
> >>> And build until: The Bigfoot cops can choke, gang-up on, beat and
> shoot at will.
> >>>
> >>> TRP did know exactly when the cops turned. Inherent Vice.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad-
> >>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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> >
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