Zinn & his disciples

[Joseph Tracy]

 In Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein goes into detail about the connections between the Brazilian coup/ military dictatorship and the Milton Friedman economic school in Chicago whose proteges were part of the reign of torture. The CIA were big players in this one too.  
On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:32 AM, alice malice wrote:

> I like Dilma's response. Sometimes, as Van Morrison says, we cry. Not
> like Johnnie Ray...
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/11/world/americas/torture-report-on-brazilian-dictatorship-is-released.html?_r=0
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> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:28 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> One of my favorites. A woman with only half her ass, that almost as
>> funny as Saci, the one-legged cartoon lad.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saci_%28Brazilian_folklore%29
>> 
>> will that redeem us Uncle Remus?
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:55 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Read Candide.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:42 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I love Zinn for writing about the people who built America, but I
>>>> dislike his simple minded approach to debunking the orthodox history
>>>> that, he and his disciples, and so many others ... stuff into the
>>>> strawman. The problem, Zinn argues,  is not history but who tells it
>>>> and how. Of course, Zinn has an excellent  point: how we tell stories
>>>> and who tells them to whom is an excellent point to focus on, as any
>>>> high school history student knows.
>>>> 
>>>> They also know that you can't do anything about history. It's history.
>>>> 
>>>> But you can teach people history, and, though I don't think history
>>>> ever repeats itself, it does, sometimes, as someone said, echo, and
>>>> so, by teaching it we might make things a bit better in the future,
>>>> and we might even solve some big problems.
>>>> 
>>>> I like to think the Beatles had it right when they said things are
>>>> getting better all the time. And they are. Zinn's history is too often
>>>> focused on how things are getting worse because of who has been
>>>> telling us a pack of lies.
>>>> 
>>>> The truth is, this kind of conspiracy theory approach to history, not
>>>> muckraking or truth finding, but radical debunking all the lies our
>>>> history teaches told us, assumes that we've been lied to all our lives
>>>> and, stupid people that we are, we believed the lies.
>>>> 
>>>> First off, this is not 1955. This is not because Zinn awakened us,
>>>> but, as Zinn shows us in his history of people, because countless
>>>> others made and wrote and spoke history that countered the American
>>>> propaganda books and broadcasts, and because  we are not stupid people
>>>> who suck in the slime from the TV set and salute the flag. Though we
>>>> have our moments of hysteria and jingoism, and even decades of
>>>> retrograde (Nixon to Reagan revolution plus Bush Clinton and the black
>>>> president ...etc.), we won't be fooled again. So Zinn is history. And
>>>> knocking Fox news or these other idiots in the "press" is a waste of
>>>> time. Unless of course, you really believe that we are still a nation
>>>> of slime sucking idiots.
>>>> 
>>>> The shining light on the hill is capitalism. America is the Empire.
>>>> You live in it. I don't love capital anymore than the next poor
>>>> person, but you can't fight the Fed, or a coordination of central
>>>> banks or the maniacs who run nation states. That's over.
>>>> 
>>>> Buy oil stocks. They are cheap now. Growth will never increase enough
>>>> to improve your welfare. You must own assets. Hate it, but don't be a
>>>> fool. Hell, you've read Zinn. So even if you were a fool in 1955, you
>>>> been educated now.
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