Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already Dead Bodies

[David Morris]

I'm familiar with the general reality you describe. But how much of this
have you personally experienced?

David Morris


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014, Michael Alan <michaelalancc at gmail.com> wrote:

> It begins with the simple realization that consciousness gives rise to
> physical nature, not the other way around.  The biggest, thickest, most
> durable and insidious string guiding our dummie-thoughts and actions, even
> though it's not itself a physical string, is the backward, inverted notion
> and belief that physical nature gives rise to consciousness.  And insofar
> as it is the case that consciousness gives rise to, or manifests, physical
> reality, "physics" then resides entirely in, and thus consists entirely of,
> consciousness.
>
> You are a consciousness with a body and brain and even mind inside it, you
> are not a body with a brain that produces a mind that produces a
> consciousness.  This world is in your consciousness, your consciousness is
> not inside this world.  Thus it is simply your world, and you can do with
> it what you want.
>
> Since this is the case, ultimately this world is absolutely, on every
> single level and in every way, a game.  But you are not alone.  That would
> not be as fun as playing with others.  There is more than one consciousness
> participating in this world.  Players, certain consciousnesses, get
> together, and design the nature and structure of the game, which is the
> basic elements of this world, which in this case they--we--have called
> planet Earth.  There is a necessary *agreement* among the playing
> consciousnesses to certain foundational aspects of the game.  For example,
> that there will be what appears to be certain laws of physics, spatial and
> temporal reality, and various continuities.
>
> None of these things actually matter, because the third dimension, with
> its horizontal time of beginnings and ends thrown in, is purely a construct
> of consciousnesses who exist on what is called, on this plane of existence,
> "higher" dimensions, and who are (yes they are 'whos', they all have
> personalities and individuality) thus higher consciousnesses to the
> consciousnesses playing this particular game, which is called, say, Earth
> Humans 2014.  A necessary agreement is that all players begin by having
> their memory erased of who they really are, and their true belief system
> turned upside down, inverted, at the beginning, "start" of the game, into
> such that physical reality gives rise to consciousness.
>
> One of the particularly fun aspects of this game is that it takes "place"
> in a "time" where humans are doing two things simultaneously with to the
> "Sun's" "position" "in" the "galaxy"; humans are curiously, "naturally"
> realizing that it is consciousness that gives rise to the world, and human
> science is also in parallel fashion at the same time is arriving at similar
> conclusions.  In fact science is a type of symbol for consciousness.
>  Everything in physical reality is a symbol.  For example consciousnesses
> can communicate without physical apparatii; people are beginning to do it
> and science is beginning to agree.  All language is just a symbol of
> telepathic communications that beginning players are not aware of, and cell
> phones are similar symbols of telepathic communication between pure
> consciousnesses.  The internet web itself is a symbol.  Vehicles are
> exactly the same thing as the pieces you shove yourself symbolically around
> the square of the Monopoly plane board to acquire symbolic properties,
> which are as real and the same thing as the properties you sit around in to
> play that particular game within a game.
>
> What will happen as this Earth Humans 2014 game continues is that humans
> will realize that it is their own consciousness that controls their game,
> not the "exterior" elements like transnational corporations.
>
> Ultimately the game ends for an individual personality--you--when you
> learn how to reacquire the power you had before you designed and built this
> game, and can thus redesign it at your will and then play it, with full
> power, *consciously*, rather than in a forgetful hypnotized zombie state.
>  For example, since time and space don't actually exist, though they can
> clearly appear to exist, such a player can go back and play out different
> timelines of their own existence, and go forward in "time" and do the same,
> and yes, you can become other players, throughout "time", forward and
> backwards.  And then way ultimately, you can visit other worlds and trip
> out as a character in those (infinite) potential timelines.  Spaceships and
> other physical gizmos will never get humans to other worlds.
>
> So right now, most humans on Earth still believe that first, there
> actually existed in time and space, following absolute laws of physics, a
> plane that fell out of the sky over Eastern Ukraine, and second that that's
> the only possibility and thus all that can be experienced.  But there is a
> timeline where the plane kept going and landed in Malaysia, every bit as
> real and valid as this timeline, and in fact there exist an infinite
> variety of timelines associated with that flight.
>
> And consciousnesses in physical garbs can jump between those timelines,
> and experience any of them.  It's already happening, "people" are already
> learning how to do it and doing it, cruising around infinite potential
> existences at their leisure, altering their physical garbs as radically as
> they desire.  Actually they always have been doing it, because there is no
> past or future.  This ability is not a thing of "the future".  If your you
> in this timeline will in the "future" learn to jump timelines, then he
> already has, and thus you already can, you've just not realized it.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> And How?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Michael Alan <michaelalancc at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michaelalancc at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is an almost-metaphysical, Marcuse& False Consciousness and
>>> Gravity's Rainbow-related question: Can we rise above being a puppet ...at
>>> all?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:07 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If your string are being yanked you might as well lay back and enjoy it.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heikki, I applaud your friends in Russia for opposing Putin - he's a
>>>> vile dictator and should be opposed by his own citizens. Saddam Hussein was
>>>> also a vile dictator, but I don't think the Iraqis who risked their lives
>>>> and freedom to oppose him were well served by the US invasion. I don't
>>>> think that poor Afghani woman, whose husband brutally disfigured her face
>>>> with acid, and who was subsequently trotted out as a poster child on the
>>>> cover of Time magazine to justify the US invasion, finds her country imbued
>>>> with freedom, democracy, education and feminism as a result of that
>>>> invasion.
>>>>
>>>> Now here's a funny thing: I think we'd both agree that the Chinese
>>>> government is as at least as repressive as Putin's and Saddam's, but I, as
>>>> an American, can't summon up the name of the head of state, or any "bad
>>>> guy" there. Why? Because the US and its frothing-mouthed press has no
>>>> interest in demonizing anyone over there, and aside from the occasional
>>>> mumbling about "concerns" over human rights, could care less about China's
>>>> foreign policy excesses. Here's a quote from yesterday's NY Times:
>>>>
>>>> Apple Posts $7.7 Billion in Profit on Strong iPhone Sales
>>>>
>>>> "Apple earlier this year reached a deal to sell iPhones with China
>>>> Mobile, the largest wireless network in the world. The partnership so far
>>>> has resulted in healthy growth for the Silicon Valley company in China, an
>>>> increasingly vital market for the company, especially now that the
>>>> smartphone markets in the United States and parts of Europe have become
>>>> saturated."
>>>>
>>>> The reality is, Heikki, that not only your anti-Putin friends in
>>>> Russia, but all of us, who buy their products and vote their spokespeople
>>>> into office, are puppets of the multi-national corporations.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi>
>>>> >Sent: Jul 23, 2014 7:41 AM
>>>> >To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> >Subject: Re: Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of Already
>>>> Dead Bodies
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't have the heart to tell my anti-Putin friends in Russia the
>>>> truth
>>>> >that they are nothing but puppets in the service of multinational
>>>> >capitalist corporations.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Kai Frederik Lorentzen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > From well back into the 19th century, and especially now that the
>>>> US Supreme Court, in its wisdom, has granted corporations full personhood,
>>>> these corporations have wielded tremendous influence on all branches of the
>>>> US government. I think Russia looms as an inert glacier, a corrupt and
>>>> oligarchical structure that's unwilling to play ball with the Western big
>>>> boys, and that's what's behind the steady drumbeat to fuck with Russia in
>>>> any way possible. Russia, whether it's described as a glacier, a bear
>>>> (hibernating or growling), or just a bunch of commies, mobsters or
>>>> commie-mobsters, is an affront to free trade. And there are too many
>>>> power-players afoot, from Coca Cola, to Monsanto, to GE, that want
>>>> something done about it, even if it means starting World War III.<
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes. The historian Detlef Junker, referring to US foreign policy,
>>>> once
>>>> >> coined the phrase "indivisible world market". That's what the
>>>> >> Anglo-American interest is about. And the Eurasian economic zone
>>>> Russia
>>>> >> originally was going for (which included the Ukraine) would have
>>>> taken
>>>> >> too many profits away from the corporations. No one is allowed not to
>>>> >> participate in the world market.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > So regardless of who shot down that plane for whatever reason, I'm
>>>> repelled by the aggressive, accusatory US response. I want the
>>>> war-mongering to stop.<
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Me too!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 22.07.2014 22:40, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> >> > David Morris: "But ask yourself.  Does anyone really think that
>>>> Crimea or Eastern Ukraine is even remotely important enought for US or
>>>> anyone else's interests to have plotted and polled off that act?  It is
>>>> absurd in the extreme, but perfect for those that want to feed off such
>>>> crap, like Russians following Putin's leadership back to the glory days of
>>>> the Soviet Empire.  Is such a scenario is possible? Yes.  But do you really
>>>> believe it is the likely truth?"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I have no idea what the truth is, but it seems vital for some sort
>>>> of international panel of experts to examine all of the evidence available.
>>>> My best guess is that this is going to be impossible to sort out to
>>>> anyone's satisfaction. But there does seem to be a steady drum beat towards
>>>> isolating Russia economically, and possibly threatening it militarily, that
>>>> started long before regime-change in the Ukraine escalated things.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I don't want any more wars draining the US budget at the expense
>>>> of our domestic programs. Do you? Even if Russia swooped in and took over
>>>> the entire Ukraine (which I think is unlikely, but I suppose it could
>>>> conceivably happen), I don't think most Americans would give a shit, unless
>>>> they were whipped into war hysteria by demagogues and the corporate press.
>>>> Before the Ukraine crisis, Obama and Kerry were trying to drum up support
>>>> for military intervention in Syria, despite the fact that polls showed most
>>>> Americans were either indifferent or opposed to such intervention. In fact,
>>>> it was only after Putin seized on a stray rhetorical comment by Kerry, in
>>>> order to broker a non-military solution, that the US had to back down. Most
>>>> Americans are pretty sick of war, I'm guessing. The various Middle East
>>>> invasions have gotten us nothing.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I've finally gotten around to reading The Education of Henry
>>>> Adams, and just finished the chapter titled Teufelsdrockh (1901), in which
>>>> Adams describes a visit to Russia. He described it as a cultural wasteland,
>>>> from which he was glad to leave to the much more culturally advanced
>>>> Scandinavian lands. His opinion was that it would take many generations (if
>>>> ever) to close the vast gap between Russia and Europe, but that, by virtue
>>>> of its huge size and large population, Russia could not be ignored. He
>>>> likened it to a massive glacier, threatening its neighbors by virtue of its
>>>> vast inertia.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > It seems to me that this must be the attitude that corporations
>>>> with a global reach must have towards Russia in the present day. What do
>>>> they want from Russia (or any country)? Tariff-free trade, unlimited access
>>>> to consumer markets, and the chance to exploit a docile, rights-free
>>>> workforce (which China has kindly offered up, but doesn't seem to be an
>>>> option in Russia, or the US, for that matter). From well back into the 19th
>>>> century, and especially now that the US Supreme Court, in its wisdom, has
>>>> granted corporations full personhood, these corporations have wielded
>>>> tremendous influence on all branches of the US government. I think Russia
>>>> looms as an inert glacier, a corrupt and oligarchical structure that's
>>>> unwilling to play ball with the Western big boys, and that's what's behind
>>>> the steady drumbeat to fuck with Russia in any way possible. Russia,
>>>> whether it's described as a glacier, a bear (hibernating or growling), or
>>>> just a bunch of commies, mobsters or commie-mobs
>>>>  !
>>>> > ters, is an affront to free trade. And there are too many
>>>> power-players afoot, from Coca Cola, to Monsanto, to GE, that want
>>>> something done about it, even if it means starting World War III.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So regardless of who shot down that plane for whatever reason, I'm
>>>> repelled by the aggressive, accusatory US response. I want the
>>>> war-mongering to stop.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Laura
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > From: David Morris
>>>> >> > Sent: Jul 22, 2014 3:03 PM
>>>> >> > To: "kelber at mindspring.com"
>>>> >> > Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>>>> >> > Subject: Re: Ukraine Rebel Leader: Malaysian Plane was Full of
>>>> Already Dead Bodies
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As I said in my post re. Zerohedge: "If any of this is true,
>>>> things will shake out very fast now. Let's just wait and see."
>>>> >> > If the "Ukraine and the United States deliberately plotted to
>>>> shoot down the passenger jet," or anything even close to that, Russian
>>>> evidence won't be escapable. Period.
>>>> >> > But ask yourself.  Does anyone really think that Crimea or Eastern
>>>> Ukraine is even remotely important enought for US or anyone else's
>>>> interests to have plotted and polled off that act?  It is absurd in the
>>>> extreme, but perfect for those that want to feed off such crap, like
>>>> Russians following Putin's leadership back to the glory days of the Soviet
>>>> Empire.  Is such a scenario is possible? Yes.  But do you really believe it
>>>> is the likely truth?
>>>> >> > David Morris
>>>> >> > On Tuesday, July 22, 2014,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > OK, David, Zerohedge is a bunch of kooks? Fair enough. So let's
>>>> look at the NY Times coverage:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Under the headline: Russia's Message on Jet: Conciliation and
>>>> Bluster
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/europe/putin-calls-for-talks-in-ukraine-and-a-robust-crash-investigation.html?rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Buried near the end of a very long article is the only mention of
>>>> the photos and video described in the ZeroHedge article:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "Hence two senior Russian military commanders, sitting in a vast
>>>> briefing room and dwarfed by the giant electronic screens overhead, used
>>>> various satellite images and charts to raise a series of rhetorical
>>>> questions that suggested that Ukraine and the United States deliberately
>>>> plotted to shoot down the passenger jet. The unusual bilingual briefing was
>>>> broadcast live on state-run television."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In a different article, the Times makes much of a photo of a piece
>>>> of the wreckage that they gave to an expert at Jane's military analysis,
>>>> who reported that it looked like it had been hit by shrapnel from a
>>>> missile. Now why on earth wouldn't the Times or the State Department not
>>>> want to get similar analysis of the photo/video evidence presented at a
>>>> televised, official Russian press conference, if only to officially debunk
>>>> it?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Laura
>>>> >> > -
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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