Question concerning GR

[Henry M]

Hey, Paul! There you are!  Good to see you on the Liste! Best regards!


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Henry Musikar, CISSP
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a take off on "So the last shall be first and the first shall be
> last" idea. But in terms of technology and control. (matthew 20:16)
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> Pynchon is good at turning things around.
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> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm reflecting lots more and probably won't get to any deeper answers,
>> but in the Zen first thought "tradition" the old
>> Marxist line--which I think I first heard Doris Lessong use---came to
>> mind in a slanting way: Freedom is the recognition of necessity. THEY
>> recognize that the least.    ???
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Andrew Field <andrewfield2002 at hotmail.co.uk>
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>> Hey P-Lister's,
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>> I'm going through my second reading of GR and it is clear that it is an
>> absolute masterwork. There has been a passage that has always stuck out for
>> me, and I'm undecided what rationale Pynchon gives to the following:
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>> "I would see you free [talking to the rats), if I knew how. But it isn't
>> free out here. All the animals, all the plants, the minerals, even other
>> kinds of men, are being broken and reassembled every day, to preserve an
>> elite few, *who are the loudest to theorize about freedom, but the least
>> free of all.*"
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>> The character who speaks it is Weberly Snail, but it is almost an
>> inclusion of the author's voice at this part.
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>> - This paragraph mirrors, ostensibly, the key theme of the book,
>> technology and control (or freedom and domination, if you will), but the
>> question is: why are the few elite the least free?
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>> To me, it seems this is an evasion on Pynchon's part - an almost
>> throwaway answer - that resists the complication of the obvious reply: they
>> are more free than you because they are not part of the system of control
>> the same way that we are. So who can blame the master for making you a
>> slave, if he becomes more free because of it.
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>> From the outset, to me, it seems the elite are more free because they can
>> choose your bondage, and you will always be part of the
>> scientific-technological control system. It doesn't make sense to think the
>> elite are less free because they have to spend their time controlling you.
>> It would amount to, in the master vs. slave dialectic, that the slave is
>> more free. A counter-intuitive answer.
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>> *So, who is more free, and why did Pynchon think they were the least
>> free?*
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>> Cheers,
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>> Andrew Field
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