Anybody interested in Project Paperclip should probably stay away from the Jacobson book

[Markekohut]

It probably is. 

Perhaps I should have characterized Weber's insight as " to be morally compromised."  In " Politics as a Vocation" he speaks of the need to be charismatic---a key Pynchon word in GR, at least--to be a successful politician, and that using charisma to " influence" people is to insert some kind of intellectual power into the human relationship. 

Later commentators argued that it might be possible to be charismatic yet not " use" it to influence. 

Another writer, a politically-focused  novelist once wrote that all but selfless acts, acts of love---and not all of those--between two people are " political". 


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On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> I believe compromise is a law of nature.
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> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And one of Pynchon's faves, Max Weber, also said it less lyrically. That to be " political" is to be compromised. ( paraphrase) 
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Machiavelli taught us long ago that one whose lot it is to be "prince" can't expect to enjoy the luxury of moral purity and the soul-saving that goes with it. If M. didn't write something to this effect he should have.
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>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:35 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Why this claim to innocence? Why such rational resistance? The
>>>> irrational, dare I say, Spiritual (as in the Spirit of Capitalism)
>>>> attachment you have to Technic/Science is undeniable. Your more
>>>> spiritual, even mystical attempts to distance yourself is like that of
>>>> a Quaker who sheds all the trappings of the christian cult, but keeps
>>>> his hat on for good measure, out of habit, tradition. How the baby
>>>> Jesus giggles at holy garments and silver cups and scraps of the
>>>> sacred texts. Like your counterparts, Dick C & Co., you have reason,
>>>> but it something romantic, something exceptional and sublime,
>>>> something beyond that keeps you in your seat, the shadows on the
>>>> screen...the bending of the light and sound through the waters of
>>>> mystery.
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>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:25 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Thank you for your cooperation. See, out in Boeing, the Pensions, the
>>>> > defined pensions are closing down. The organized will need to fund
>>>> > themselves through a contribution pension. The cooperation of the
>>>> > machinists, and of the engineers is necessary. Could the Nazis launch
>>>> > rockets without them? Could Washington launch drones? It was tougher
>>>> > in many respects, for the Nazis, for Nixon, then for Bush-Obama (Dick
>>>> > C) because in Germany the Engineers were anti-Capital, but we have to
>>>> > remember how the culture, its Romanticism was married to
>>>> > Science/Technic. And this is what has happened in the US, with the
>>>> > baby-boomer romantics married to the computer and the bomb. So, to
>>>> > make yourself an exception, clean of guilt and complicity, is
>>>> > impossible. Indeed, it is counter-cultural claims, and resistance,
>>>> > such Marching and Maximizing of the preterit pseudo-intellectual, with
>>>> > his self-righteousness, his seat at the Right hand of Nature and
>>>> > Humankind, that drives the Machine of State. So technology, yes even
>>>> > the rockets, are not weapons of the Elect, but weapons of mass
>>>> > destruction. Weapons that will blow us all to kingdom come. This is a
>>>> > threat to the planet, to Nature, to all of us here i the Orpheus
>>>> > Theater/Theatre. Why not love the bomb. Worship it like skinless
>>>> > pointy heads beneath the planet of the apes?  Come on....don't you
>>>> > love it madly?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us> wrote:
>>>> >> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Conspiracy beliefs are the natural product of an inquiring mind.  Nihilism
>>>> >> is its opposite. Does the world make sense? Or is there no sense?  These are
>>>> >> the choices. Conspiracy is a component in this question only because any
>>>> >> sense that can be discerned is not freely given. It is hard to find. It
>>>> >> requires a quest. And such a quest implies an opponent.  Eventually the
>>>> >> questioner realizes the opponent is himself.  We have met the enemy...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If personal identity means anything at all, that is so not true.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I didn't make a bajillion dollars off Iraq and move my HQ to Dubai
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I didn't commit election fraud or slaver over the possibilities of torture
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> I didn't ....I'm imperfect in a lot of ways but I will not be identified as
>>>> >> the perpetrator of those things!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are specific people who did them, they need to be exposed and opposed
>>>> >> and none of that implies that we are all dick Cheney in the sense that all
>>>> >> those Greeks or whatever were Spartacus
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm not dick Cheney, i may be a pig but he's much more of a pig than I am,
>>>> >> and there are people less piggish than either of us who I want to support
>>>> >> and cleave to so that I will become even less like dick Cheney!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The moral landscape is anisotropic!
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>>>> >> - Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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