What happens to a conspiracy revealed?

[David Morris]

But let's keep Austin, like West Berlin?

On Thursday, March 13, 2014, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> What goes 'round comes 'round!
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> LK
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris
> Sent: Mar 13, 2014 6:20 PM
> To: Michael Bailey
> Cc: P-list
> Subject: Re: What happens to a conspiracy revealed?
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> If only we could give Texas back!
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> On Thursday, March 13, 2014, Michael Bailey <mikebailey at gmx.us> wrote:
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> Isn't that how Texas came into the Union?
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> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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> malignd at aol.com wrote:
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> Give an example.  We would go into, say, Mexico, and annex some portion of
> it that is English speaking?
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> The Russian actions in the Crimea are exactly what the US would do in similar circumstances.
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 13, 2014 3:37 pm
> Subject: Re: What happens to a conspiracy revealed?
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>  Snyder shows one side of the picture and i really believe it is true to many Ukrainians. Yanukovich was a greedy asshole. But there were also killings of police, hardcore anti-semitism, the overthrow of an elected government and an unwillingness to negotiate a transition despite the closeness of the next elections. When you pursue the overthrow of a government, even one elected by majority vote, there is no place including the US where you will not find violent resistance by the authorities. I have tried to listen to all sides of a story in a place that I don't know much about. What I have a hard time with is the US choosing a less than wildly popular central banker to be the "interim prime minister" . And I am skeptical that it was a truly democratic process to endorse him. I hope for the best for a real revolution that makes a better society. The Russian actions in the Crimea are exactly what the US would do in similar circumstances. They have been careful to avoid unneeded violence. I think accepting this division is realistic and relatively harmless. I predict it will stand with the approval of the Crimean majority and be inconsequential. I don't think Ukraine will have solved its problems by joining the EU if they do so. Happy to be wrong about that. As to his last question the US was as diverse a population as anywhere on the planet at the time of the revolution though it was clearly led by millionaire merchants, land speculators etc. the soldiers were quite diverse as was the case in South American revolutions. For me the question is more whether the revolutionaries represent a consensus of Ukrainians. I simply don't know and don't feel much effort has been made to really answer that question in an open honest way. On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:38 PM, rich wrote: > passion is one thing. Here's Timothy Snyder on the uprising in Ukraine > > http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/ > > 'In December the crowds grew larger. By the end of the year, millions of people had taken part in protests, all over the country. Journalists were beaten. Individual activists were abducted. Some of them were tortured. Dozens disappeared and have not yet been found. As the New Year began the protests broadened. Muslims from southern Ukraine marched in large numbers. Representatives of the large Kiev Jewish community were prominently represented. Some of the most important organizers were Jews. The telephone hotline that people called to seek missing relatives was established by gay activists (people who have experience with hotlines). Some of the hospital guards who tried to stop the police from abducting the wounded were young feminists. ' > > 'Who was killed? Dozens of people, in all about a hundred, most of them young men. Bohdan Solchanyk was a young lecturer at the Ukrainian Catholic University, a Ukrainian speaker from western Ukraine. He was shot and killed. Yevhen Kotlyov was an environmentalist from Kharkiv, a Russian speaker from eastern Ukraine. He was shot and killed. On
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> - Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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