Putin's Counter Revolution

[alice malice]

My reading of it is honest and is supported by the facts and by
history. You are naive and idealistic.  Anytime someone here shows you
the facts you call them a right wing talk show host. Why is that?
Can't you argue the facts? The agreement that Russia signed was not
nullified by the change in government. Ukraine is a sovereign state
and was promised protection if it surrendered the weapons. Putin
violated the agreement. Now he will have to pay the price. How is that
a right wing position? Should thugs like Putin be allowed to threaten
their neighbors? Is this what Left Wingers support? No. The world
needs to defend Ukraine. Not because it has a government we admire or
hope to see succeed, but because Russia is threatening the peace and
Putin must pay a price for his aggression.  This is a sensible and
logical approach, the one most likely to be implemented.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> The agreement was made with an elected government that is gone. What they have there in Ukraine was made up last week.  Your theory is nutty anyway , just utterly paranoid true believer armageddon stuff . You sound like Rush Limbaugh or Curtis LeMay.
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 12:23 PM, alice malice wrote:
>
>> They will. Of course they will. The spread can't be stopped. Brasil is
>> deep into it. Who or what wil threaten there interests and security
>> in the future is hard to say, but we can be sure that it will happen.
>>
>> The logic is supported by history. Read that chapter from M-D. Loose
>> fish will be made fast.
>>
>> Land, like the islands off Argentina (remember that?), resources,
>> fishing rights, water...air space....
>>
>>
>> Ukraine agreed to give them up and look  what happened there. Even
>> Putin would have to think twice if all those nukes were still in
>> Ukraine.
>>
>> It's expensive. The American Empire will make them pay dearly for it,
>> but, as you say, logic, ego-politics, will drive the spread of nukes
>> on a global scale.
>>
>> The anti-proliferation objective may continue a pace, as weapons are
>> dismantled, bu the spread of weapons, of nukes, can't be stopped.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:34 AM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> And by that logic, Venezuela, and most of Latin America, for that matter,
>>> should nuke up to defend themselves against the US tendency to depose and/or
>>> murder elected presidents.
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/17/usa.venezuela
>>>
>>> LK
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Morris
>>> Sent: Mar 16, 2014 10:45 AM
>>> To: alice malice
>>> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>>> Subject: Re: Putin's Counter Revolution
>>>
>>> You think if Ukrane had nukes that would have changed the current situation
>>> in Ukraines favor? So a new government in Kiev would have threatened to
>>> launch the Big Ones if Russia stepped into Crimea?  That sounds like crazy
>>> talk. Nukes versus boots on ground? God save us from that equation.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 16, 2014, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's was needed, as Mearsheimer argued convincingly only a few years
>>>> ago, was a greater nuclear deterrent; he was right that Ukraine needed a
>>>> nuclear arsenal to defend itself against Russia's superior conventional
>>>> army. Water under the bridge.  But the west has to punish Putin now. Punish
>>>> his markets and economy. Let him have the mess in Syria. Iran won't turn
>>>> back now. Move to defend and strengthen NATO, and punish that murdering
>>>> thug.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 16, 2014, Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With regard to the geopolitical aspects of the crisis, this may be of
>>>>> interest:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/opinion/getting-ukraine-wrong.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>
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