NP - Russian Sanctions

[David Morris]

Distance between killer and the dead.  Denial of personal guilt by the
children of the killers. The good motives of the killer.  A child's
innocence.  The innocence of the dead.  The wealth bestowed from the
killers to their children. The pleasure to be gotten from killing. The
horror of being forced to kill. A child's learning of death's meaning
and permanence. The ugliness of a corpse, and the need to hide it.  The
orgy of mass killing and the lust for terror.  The anger of being nobody,
and its revenge.

The Roots of War.

On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Michael Bailey
<mikebailey at gmx.us<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mikebailey at gmx.us');>>
wrote:

> US numbers killed in SE Asia certainly in the ballpark with Pol Pot's
> total.
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> The difference is "we" (i will deny any part in it) killed foreigners
> while maintaining the semblance of a civil society at home, while he killed
> his own in a reign of terror.
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> malignd at aol.com wrote:
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> This is world class sophistry.
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - Russian Sanctions
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>  There would have been no Pol Pot without our bombs. We are in the same club if you are talking about mass killing for political ideology. On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:03 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote: > I think you miss my point which is not about sanctions, rather that Mr. Tracy seems to want to place the US in a club that includes PP. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> > To: MalignD at aol.com <malignd at aol.com> > Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org> > Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:09 pm > Subject: Re: NP - Russian Sanctions > > The sanctions against Russia are limited to the individuals at the top, so past sanctions against whole nations are in no way comparable. > not yet > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:56 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote: > That would include Pol Pot ... > There are many thugs and killers and greedy bastards in the world and the US has > as nasty a record as anyone since the death of Stalin. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> > To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org> > Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 11:49 pm > Subject: Re: NP - Russian Sanctions > > There are many thugs and killers and greedy bastards in the world and the US has > as nasty a record as anyone since the death of Stalin. I have never liked Putin > for all the reasons you state but the idea of isolating " the pirates", and that > they have no contingencies for this situation or that they will " turn on each > other" sounds very questionable. Another way to look at Putin is that he may > have a realistic sense of the needs of Russia as a state. Russia was far worse > off under the drunkard Yeltsin and the accompanying rise of the criminals and > oligarchs according to many analysts, and Putin brought those tendencies > significantly under control. The majority seem to still support him over any > other contender. Now majority rule is not IMO all it is cracked up to be but > that is sorta what we have here, too,... sorta. > > Sanctions. There was an article in Harpers last year about sanctions, their > deadly effects on the weakest members of a society and unforeseen consequences. > It starts with sanctions begun in WW1. Here is one passage: > > "Not until five months after the armistice did the Allies allow Germany to > import food -- not out of concern for the ongoing death and suffering, but out of > fear that desperate Germans would follow the Russians into Bolshevism. By the > time it was lifted, the peacetime blockade had killed about a quarter of a > million people, including many children who either starved or died from diseases > associated with malnutrition." > > The US effectively starved half a million Iraqis before the second gulf war with > sanctions. Sanctions were used in Nicaragua, Cuba, Iran,now Syria. The wars > only proliferate. Saddam before his US sponsored attack on Iran looks like an > age of relative prosperity and even tolerance when most Shias and Sunnis > intermarried and lived in the same neighborhoods peacefully and Iraq had the > best educ
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>  - Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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