Thomas Pynchon on joy in music

[Mark Kohut]

Yeah fer sure. Think the great writer movie lover " knew" Kubrick while, when, in England? probably would have trusted him to keep his reclusivity intact, if Kubrick did decide to know him back that early. 

wikipedia tells me there was a new major biography of Rossini in English in 1968 and it also says there was a " Rossini Renaissance" the second half of the 20th Century. 

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> On Aug 16, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Rossini is not in the novel, which means Kubrick using it is all the more interesting.
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2015 8:08 AM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Beethoven Ninth is in the novel, from 1962 but I cannot remember if Rossini is. Hearing it, a classical music fave, now makes ALEX nauseous, anti-violent. Which, yes, might mean Burgess, a composer too, also felt it was 'violent' music metaphorically?
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> > On Aug 16, 2015, at 4:57 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > See http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/music/nineteenth-century-music/invention-beethoven-and-rossini-historiography-analysis-criticism
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I have often wondered about Stanley Kubrick using Beethoven and Rossini to
>> >> such great contrapuntal affect in his film version of Clockwork Orange.
>> >> Gravity's Rainbow and Clockwork Orange came out literally within months of
>> >> each other, so I sincerely doubt whether one could have influenced the
>> >> other. And yet, both extremely important works of late modernist art feature
>> >> this intriguing musical counterpoint, rather explicitly at that.
>> >> Interesting, no?
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 16, 2015 3:57 AM, "Dave Monroe" <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> “‘The point is,’ cutting off Gustav’s usually indignant scream, ‘a
>> >>> person feels good listening to Rossini. All you feel like listening to
>> >>> Beethoven is going out and invading Poland. Ode to Joy indeed. The man
>> >>> didn’t even have a sense of humor. I tell you,’ shaking his skinny old
>> >>> fist, ‘there is more of the Sublime in the snare-drum part of La Gazza
>> >>> Ladra than in the whole Ninth Symphony. With Rossini, the whole point
>> >>> is that lovers always get together, isolation is overcome, and like it
>> >>> or not that is the one great centripetal movement of the World.
>> >>> Through the machineries of greed, pettiness, and the abuse of power,
>> >>> love occurs. All the shit is transmuted to gold. The walls are
>> >>> breached, the balconies are scaled—listen!’”
>> >>>
>> >>> Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.artsjournal.com/aboutlastnight/2015/03/almanac-thomas-pynchon-on-joy-in-music.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Beethoven & Rossini
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Beethoven_%26_Rossini
>> >>>
>> >>> The Invention of Beethoven and Rossini:
>> >>> Historiography, Analysis, Criticism
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/music/nineteenth-century-music/invention-beethoven-and-rossini-historiography-analysis-criticism
>> >>> -
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