Thomas Pynchon on joy in music

[Mark Kohut]

YES. Nice. 

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> On Aug 16, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ... point is, that Beethoven/Rossini binary goes way back:
> 
> Beethoven and Rossini have always been more than a pair of famous
> composers. Even during their lifetimes, they were well on the way to
> becoming 'Beethoven and Rossini' – a symbolic duo, who represented a
> contrast fundamental to Western music. This contrast was to shape the
> composition, performance, reception and historiography of music
> throughout the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. The Invention of
> Beethoven and Rossini puts leading scholars of opera and instrumental
> music into dialogue with each other, with the aim of unpicking the
> origins, consequences and fallacies of the opposition between the two
> composers and what they came to represent. In fifteen chapters,
> contributors explore topics ranging from the concert lives of early
> nineteenth-century capitals to the mythmaking of early cinema, and
> from the close analysis of individual works by Beethoven and Rossini
> to the cultural politics of nineteenth-century music histories.
> 
> http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/music/nineteenth-century-music/invention-beethoven-and-rossini-historiography-analysis-criticism
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah fer sure. Think the great writer movie lover " knew" Kubrick while,
>> when, in England? probably would have trusted him to keep his reclusivity
>> intact, if Kubrick did decide to know him back that early.
>> 
>> wikipedia tells me there was a new major biography of Rossini in English in
>> 1968 and it also says there was a " Rossini Renaissance" the second half of
>> the 20th Century.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Rossini is not in the novel, which means Kubrick using it is all the more
>> interesting.
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2015 8:08 AM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Beethoven Ninth is in the novel, from 1962 but I cannot remember if
>>> Rossini is. Hearing it, a classical music fave, now makes ALEX nauseous,
>>> anti-violent. Which, yes, might mean Burgess, a composer too, also felt it
>>> was 'violent' music metaphorically?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 16, 2015, at 4:57 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> See
>>>> http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/music/nineteenth-century-music/invention-beethoven-and-rossini-historiography-analysis-criticism
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Mark Thibodeau
>>>>> <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have often wondered about Stanley Kubrick using Beethoven and Rossini
>>>>> to
>>>>> such great contrapuntal affect in his film version of Clockwork Orange.
>>>>> Gravity's Rainbow and Clockwork Orange came out literally within months
>>>>> of
>>>>> each other, so I sincerely doubt whether one could have influenced the
>>>>> other. And yet, both extremely important works of late modernist art
>>>>> feature
>>>>> this intriguing musical counterpoint, rather explicitly at that.
>>>>> Interesting, no?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2015 3:57 AM, "Dave Monroe" <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “‘The point is,’ cutting off Gustav’s usually indignant scream, ‘a
>>>>>> person feels good listening to Rossini. All you feel like listening to
>>>>>> Beethoven is going out and invading Poland. Ode to Joy indeed. The man
>>>>>> didn’t even have a sense of humor. I tell you,’ shaking his skinny old
>>>>>> fist, ‘there is more of the Sublime in the snare-drum part of La Gazza
>>>>>> Ladra than in the whole Ninth Symphony. With Rossini, the whole point
>>>>>> is that lovers always get together, isolation is overcome, and like it
>>>>>> or not that is the one great centripetal movement of the World.
>>>>>> Through the machineries of greed, pettiness, and the abuse of power,
>>>>>> love occurs. All the shit is transmuted to gold. The walls are
>>>>>> breached, the balconies are scaled—listen!’”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.artsjournal.com/aboutlastnight/2015/03/almanac-thomas-pynchon-on-joy-in-music.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Beethoven & Rossini
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Beethoven_%26_Rossini
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Invention of Beethoven and Rossini:
>>>>>> Historiography, Analysis, Criticism
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/music/nineteenth-century-music/invention-beethoven-and-rossini-historiography-analysis-criticism
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