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Stein? Mentor to Hemingway Stein? Even with that pipe and longshoreman's
cap, a butch crew cut, she never had a chance against them even the
effeminate males, Eliot...let alone Joyce and Pound...even who's afraid of
Virginia, with her wicked deck of Bloomsbury colleagues, and her sad eyed
lady of the highlands looks had no chance against Shakespeare's brothers.
Elizabeth Bishop never produced a Wasteland. Though Woolf's TtL is, in the
presence of absence, a war novel, it's not influential, say, to GR, or to
Invisible Man, or even to Beloved or Sula, as is spy novels, James Bond,
Comics, Film...the DWM, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Frazer, Eliot, the list of
male influences....Joyce....all that DFW claims to be beyond. Why is that?
As James Brown sez, it's a man's man's world....

On Friday, August 21, 2015, Tommy Pinecone <endaflynn345 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting that you mention that "deep thinker" image. I was studying a
> few books of art history last year, all of which I checked were about
> 60-100~ years old as scholarship was, on the whole(by which I mean there
> are a few distinguished scholars now amongst the rabble, while the opposite
> was true of the past), of a higher quality. But in two of these large
> studies, two separate authors warn against "reading into a painting", which
> was then growing in popularity.
>
> They may stand for something-as the Flemish were "working in the sight of
> God", as Gaddis mentions-but there is no narrative or preaching; whereas
> when we come to modern art it is frequently a matter of "I put this here
> because...".
> I read, a few years back, about art related to Wittgenstein, and one
> example was a sheet of glass with "FUCK:STATEMENT" in bold letters; this
> isn't art. It's shock and gimmicks, just like a few months ago, on the news
> here, in Ireland, there was a woman knitting a jumper with wool that she
> shoved up her vagina first. And rest assured she was batting her eyelashes
> with an ear to ear smile on the news informing us that numerous people were
> telling her what she was doing was amazing, brave, empowering, etc.
>
> If a piece of artwork needs a narrative to make us say, "oh, I get it now,
> great", we're in trouble.
>
> Which, as an addendum, I frequently attribute to conceptual
> misinterpretations of Joyce: peripheral readers hear that Ulysses is
> brilliant and extremely difficult, read it with a companion book for the
> sake of reading it, without extensive reading of the Canon, and then think
> that the difficulty, the metaphysics and the small details are the sources
> of its worth.
> But really it is the concept of Ulysses and Joyce's awareness of his place
> in the literary tradition that matter, that's why Stein didn't understand
> why she was not as acclaimed as Joyce despite her experimentation: he goes
> beyond difficulty and new ways of doing. Beckett acknowledged this with
> great chagrin and that is where his important work came from: knowing his
> place in the tradition, which is to say it couldn't go much further, and it
> would be of more value to take away and break down the path in another
> direction entirely. Forgive me getting off topic, this is what too much
> free time gets you
> On 21 Aug 2015 01:29, "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sundayjb at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> ...which I thought was an online joke after that last email but is
>> apparently real.
>>
>> Dismaland: inside Banksy’s dystopian playground
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=64&v=_wruEnynr1w>
>>
>> It's an art project initiated by Banksy with ~50 collaborators from
>> around the world.
>>
>> Unfortunately the video makes a fair bit of it look as nuanced and
>> sophisticated as an undergraduate comedy revue.
>>
>> FWIW I think Banksy's work is outrageously overrated too.
>> -
>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>
>
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