Brilliantly, sadly observed

[ish mailian]

I hope, Joseph, that you are willing to concede this point to continue the
debate.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> By the way, the same article in Wikipedia said that it is commonly
> believed in the gulf states that the US did give the go ahead to Saddam. So
> the net impact of our policies is in line with what I said in my list.
> > On Dec 2, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > This is from Wikipedia
> > However I appear to have overstated the case with insufficient evidence
> and  to have been off in my timeline. Imperfect memory.  Still, once we
> gave our support to this venture, the net effect within my larger argument
> that the US was endorsing the seizure of territory remains intact.
> >
> >   United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against
> post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of
> economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry,
> military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement
> in warfare against Iran.[3][4]
> >
> > Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently
> discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On
> June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline that the "Reagan/Bush
> administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money,
> agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to
> Iraq."[5]
> >> On Dec 2, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This isn't as wrong as it could possibly be, but it's getting there.
> Keep plugging.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >> We supplied weapons, advisors and as the global superpower fully
> endorsed it. If we had not done so it is highly doubtful that Saddam would
> have started it.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:14 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What US policies in particular led to the creation of ISIS?  1)we ok’d
> the idea of seizing land through war by provoking and helping the Iraqi war
> on Iran
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We ok'd it?  How about the fact that the two nations were generally
> hostile toward one another for a long time. How about Islam? The Bath party
> was rightfully fearful that Khomeini would stir up rebellion in southern
> Iraq. How about territorial disputes, especially the conflict over the
> Shatt al-'Arab River.
> >>>
> >>> The dispute over the Shatt Al-Arab waterway threatens once more to
> derail the peace talks between Iraq and Iran, and could ultimately end the
> truce between the two countries. However, as this historical account shows,
> the controversy involving this shallow, 127-mile-long strategic waterway
> has been the subject of treaties signed in 1843, 1937, and 1975, and
> continues to loom as an intractable problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.wrmea.org/1989-april/the-shatt-al-arab-obstacle-to-iran-iraq-peace.html
> >>>
> >>
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