in Which V. is mentioned. as original.

Fri Dec 4 07:00:37 CST 2015

'Self-criticism is a strange thing; it shouldn't work but it does"

" seized in the game's unending chatter, its daily self-criticism, its
demands for total attention..."

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
> ... a-and too little rainbow ...
>
> (sorry, in German it's called Vorlage, what you did – assist?)
>
> 2015-12-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>
>> As I say, I am often humorless. Too much gravity.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it's called a hyperbole, and Mr. Pynchon is quite used to it.
>>
>> 2015-12-04 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I guess that's a gentle jibe but I must confess I don't quite get it. "
>>> IG Farben" lost me...but, as they say, if one has to explain a good joke,
>>> then the asker didn't get it because he's humorless.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 4:34 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark's clearly in the pocket of Big Pynch. It's like the IG Farben of
>>> literature.
>>>
>>> On 4 Dec 2015 8:31 pm, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> May I only suggest that, if you do get an English edition of GR, buy it
>>>> new not used. The writer only gets royalties on new book sales and Pynchon
>>>> and his family deserve his royalties for his lifelong committed genius.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Again, I suggest GR in English. You can get it used online for $5 plus
>>>> shipping. Just try it and see. It isn't "hard in mother tongue" in basic
>>>> ways. It is hard to synthesize as a whole, as I said earlier. But it is a
>>>> fun ride if you are willing to just let go and experience its pleasures,
>>>> much like the acid trips Pynchon clearly rode in the days of his writing GR.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> M&D!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Dec 3, 2015 4:57 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: David Morris , "pynchon-l at waste.org"
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe i'll try in English.The language spoken in Portugal has a lot of
>>>>> differences with the language spoken here. English is easier.  XDBut if
>>>>> Pynchon is already hard in my mother tongue I predict a lot of hard work in
>>>>> another langage.So as the books here aren't cheap I need to think twice
>>>>> which one I'll pick next.The ones that I can find in a more accessible price
>>>>> is Inherent Vice, M&D and AtD. Which is better to read after V.?
>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:27:23 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>> From: fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem fluent in English.  Translations will never retain all the
>>>>> nuances in a book as poetic as GR.  Maybe you should consider reading it in
>>>>> English.
>>>>> Here it is in Potugese for 26
>>>>> Euros:http://www.wook.pt/ficha/arco-iris-da-gravidade/a/id/14184775
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>> <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm from Brazil, so I'd like to read in portuguese. Here Pynchon's
>>>>> books are so expensives and hard to find.My edition of V that i bought these
>>>>> days is from 1988.One day i've found one GR in portuguese, but for R$400
>>>>> (more than U$100)
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:34:27 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>> From: kelber at mindspring.com
>>>>> To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: mark.kohut at gmail.com; kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
>>>>> richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>
>>>>> You can probably order it online somewhere. Is the language Spanish?
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> Vitor Repinaldo <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can´t find GR anywhere in my country (no longer reissued - it's a
>>>>> crime) and I don't know if i coud read in another language. So Vineland or
>>>>> M&D?
>>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:51:11 -0500
>>>>> > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>> > From: mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>> > To: vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com
>>>>> > CC: kbob42 at gmail.com; jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com;
>>>>> > richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> > keep going in that direction. (Unless you want the completist-so-far
>>>>> > feeling of all the short stories. )
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Vitor Repinaldo
>>>>> > <vitor_repinaldo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > I'm finishing V and i've already read Lot49, what should i pick
>>>>> > > next?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>>> > > Subject: Re: in Which V. is mentioned. as original.
>>>>> > > From: kbob42 at gmail.com
>>>>> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:29 -0500
>>>>> > > CC: richard.romeo at gmail.com; pynchon-l at waste.org;
>>>>> > > mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>> > > To: jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Vineland!
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mark Thibodeau
>>>>> > > <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Vineland Vineland Uber Alles!
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:02 AM, "rich" <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > all i would claim is that GR belongs to the creative thrust that
>>>>> > > began with
>>>>> > > V. and ended with M&D. there are some bits in AtD worthy but the
>>>>> > > rest imho
>>>>> > > is fairly disposable
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > rich
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > but no matter what one thinks of some of the later books,
>>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow HAS TO BE SEEN as, among much newness,
>>>>> > > V. perfected, no?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Gravity's Rainbow is V. squared.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > and, didn't Pynchon avoid Parks' basic criticism by writing
>>>>> > > SO MANY DIFFERENT new books....
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >> w/r/t to Pynchon I think there's some merit to that criticism
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> self-derivative, repetitive,
>>>>> > >>> in some way inferior to the first bursts of the writer's vision.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > -
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