Anarchy in the USA. "highest-profile anarchist"?

[Ian Livingston]

I suppose it has something to do with what you think of when you imagine
"Eden." Certainly the achievements of human intelligence since the plow and
the written word can be variously interpreted. On the planetary scale,
humans cannot be said to have done anything at all for the planet and its
various life forms, whereas, if you think only of humans, well, there are
many ways of interpreting "advancements," too. Had humanity not written
things down, for instance, history would have continued in its poetic
formulations, for all the reasons we lit types already know; and had we
remained hunter-gatherers, continued migration would have prevailed, so
there would have been little or no room for racial lines to obtain. Nations
would have remained loose. There still would have been technological
developments, as is evidenced by the New World natives, who had developed
some effective tools. There remains a certain amount of question as to when
and where the first metallurgical developments happened, but that science
almost certainly would have continued without writing, if it began before,
as some folks speculate. Certainly many of the technical advancements of
primitive and medieval civilizations were made by unlettered workers, but
would there have been a division between workers and bosses without
writing? Hm. Lots of room for speculation, really.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:55 AM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> If you're saying that these arguments reduce down to the idea that humans
> are a blight on what would have been a pristine, and, even more
> nonsensically "moral" planet, I agree that they're pointless. But along
> with being polluting, war-mongering beings, we're analytical, so why the
> hell not analyze how things could have been different?
>
> Laura
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: David Morris
>
> And if written language was a wrong turn, does he suggest a Eden
> alternative.  To suggest that all human history since cave days was a wrong
> turn sounds crack-potted to me.
> David Morris
>
> On Sunday, December 6, 2015,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Note to human race: If you're going to give up hunting and gathering in
> favor of agriculture, realize that you will now be shitting where you're
> eating. Please consider inventing sewage systems before adopting this
> lifestyle, or your encampments will be breeding grounds for diseases that
> never existed before, such as smallpox and bubonic plague. Regards, Mother
> Nature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: glenn fuller
>
>      John Zeran is far from insane and his
>       musings about a pre-civilized utopia are hardly anything new.   A
>       lot of his philosophy is an anthropological rehash of
>       Genesis   and other creation myths.   His major contribution  has
>       been identifying Agriculture instead of the Serpent,  as  the
>       devil.  As a teenage having  weeded what I thought were
>       innumerable rows for limitless afternoons under a baking Virgina
>       sun;  I can't say I disagree.
>
>
>
>       On 12/05/2015 07:02 PM, David Morris wrote:
>
>
>     Why argue with insanity? Unless offered a greater
>       insanity.
>
>
>         On Saturday, December 5, 2015, Mark Thibodeau <
> jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>
>
>           Haha! I've been reading Zerzan since before the
>             Unabomber got caught! He's a hilarious fringe philosopher
>             who believes agriculture and written language are when
>             mankind took a wrong turn. Kind of difficult to argue
>             against THAT kind of deep down dissidence, eh?
>
>
>
>             J
>
>
>
>             On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 5:05 PM,
>               Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>               wrote:
>
>
> http://www.believermag.com/issues/201511/?read=article_sherman
>
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