And NOWHERE is Pynchon mentioned!

[ish mailian]

What's more, we bring to tales ideas of our own, like justice and cause and
effect. So when Raskolnikov, though the poetic genius of Dostoevsky, is
made sympathetic, our ideas clash with the poetry.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:52 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe I'm not applying the strict definition of "novel of ideas", as
> subgenre, apparently, of the so-called philosophical novel.
>
> As a kid, I loved novels of ideas, and though I didn't ever appreciate,
> Dostoevsky, _Crime and Punishment_, with the battle of ideas, philosophical
> and religious, excited me.
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:38 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there novels, plays, poems...is there a literature without ideas? I
>> don't want anything, other than money and beautiful men, thrown at me. But
>> when it comes to tales I love yarn threaded through with ideas, allegorical
>> figures and microcosms even. Take P's Entropy. Not a bad tale all in all. A
>> youthful exploration in an idea story. So many of the so-called set-pieces
>> in the novels are stories built on, from, and around ideas. I think it was
>> Nabokov who admonished that weak readers love to see their own ideas
>> dressed up in clever disguises.  Something like that. Call me weak. Ideas
>> make me swoon, like raining men, I just can't get enough of them.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's so great about a novel of ideas? Who wants to have a bunch of
>>> ideas and ideals thrown at them, in a novel anyway? Do ideas make the world
>>> go round? Well, maybe, but I can form my own ideas, at least for the
>>> purpose of novel reading. Pynchon is a novelist of historical events,
>>> invention and language.
>>>
>>> Or maybe not.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/books/review/whatever-happened-to-the-novel-of-ideas.html?ref=review&_r=1
>>>> -
>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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