NP, but a bit of prose poetry...

[Mark Kohut]

just trivial "did ya know"?...McCarthy started SUTREE long before he
published at least his first two novels...took a long time and there
was/is, a huge amount
of manuscript from which it was hewn.

and a repost about the movie of his script The Counselor
"is free on my TV so I watched it. You won't forget it easily if you do.

But, Pynchon-relevant are two bits....One, first, is Pynchon the first
writer to put car-fucking into a novel? (The car plays a key role
in Gatsby and Harry Crews had a novel about a guy eating one) but
McCarthy ratchets up Pynchon's V. bit with an incredible scene wherein
Cameron Diaz fucks--spread-eagled, humping sensuously the windshield of a car.

Later in the movie as she talks to a guy about his options, she says, "there's
the excluded middle'....."

mark

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ian Livingston
<igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
> McCarthy writes about Man in the world. I think Suttree is a perfect case in
> point. Man is dispossessed and sterile, his sex is fruitless (even with
> watermelons) and his copulations are with a form of Woman who no longer is
> in the living world. I think the sterility of Man in his competitive
> commitment to violently wresting gratification from an unknown, barely
> guessed-at Other, that Man must hate in his ignorance, is representative of
> all the sex McCarthy needs. Man fucks the world. Blood Meridian is, yeah,
> genius; and, yes, it all comes back to the Whale as it is in the postmodern
> world. There is a wonderful study, developed from a diss, I think,
> evaluating BM in part as a Tarot reading. Ah, yes, Notes on Blood Meridian,
> by John Sepich. Highly recommended.
>
> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3143478-notes-on-blood-meridian
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Mark Sacha <msacha1121 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you're interested in the topic, have the time, and have access to a
>> copy (the latter two are big ifs), Vollmann's unabridged Rising Up and
>> Rising Down is, I think, the de facto modern text on it. It's split up into
>> two major sections - the first is analytical/theoretical and the latter is
>> essentially an unedited compendium of his journalism, which are included as
>> case studies. Only (haha) the first five volumes are really essential to the
>> book. Since it's Vollmann we're talking about here, it's really thorough,
>> although political in ways people won't always agree with and a little
>> inconsistent in tone and quality. But I was blown away by it.
>>
>> I got mine from a library since copies run upward of $1000.
>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/rising-up-and-rising-down/oclc/53820538&referer=brief_results
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Been curious about Vollman for a bit
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now you have Vollman to read. A MAJOR subject, as we know.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I am nearing the end of another book on violence, not nearly as epic
>>>> > or
>>>> > beautiful as BM but another perspective, psychological and discrete. I
>>>> > have
>>>> > read Ballardian landscapes described as "quantal" and I think it is
>>>> > perfect
>>>> > description.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think I am organically crafting some imaginary course on violence in
>>>> > my
>>>> > head. Started with the Spanish film Tesis by Ameñabar, Baader-Meinhoff
>>>> > by
>>>> > Delillo (it's a short story in the New Yorker, not necessarily violent
>>>> > but
>>>> > terrorism and trauma) then Blood Meridian and now High Rise by
>>>> > Ballard.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OMG that is so obvious! And the whole time reading it I am
>>>> >> constructing
>>>> >> wild theories as to why the man is hairless. Represents his
>>>> >> supernatural
>>>> >> otherworldliness, a skin suited for a different terrain, Yada yada
>>>> >> yada
>>>> >> can't believe I didn't consider the freaking whale itself.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm going to have to buy a copy because there is a lot I want to go
>>>> >> back
>>>> >> to. Got mine from the library
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And Mark that home alone bit is hilarious. Spot on.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm sure it is no accident the Moby Dick is so evoked by BM.  The
>>>> >>> Judge
>>>> >>> is the whale.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> David Morris
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Moby Dick was at the front of my mind throughout. Instead of man
>>>> >>>> hunting
>>>> >>>> a whale, and everything that represents, man is hunting man. I'm
>>>> >>>> sure u all
>>>> >>>> have dissected this one like an injun scalp but since I haven't
>>>> >>>> really
>>>> >>>> discussed it with anyone I'll say this in passing to get it out. I
>>>> >>>> think the
>>>> >>>> lack of sex scenes was certainly indicative of something because we
>>>> >>>> know sex
>>>> >>>> occurs in the book. And I would like to know what anyone thinks of
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> idiot, his cage and his chain to the judge and why the judge
>>>> >>>> rescues him.
>>>> >>>> One of the rare appearances of the fairer sex is when he is
>>>> >>>> liberated from
>>>> >>>> his cage. And just a random thought: when reading the passage where
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> judge is walking around with the idiot on the chain my mind seemed
>>>> >>>> to conjur
>>>> >>>> Dracula and Renfield. Was wondering what you smarter folk took from
>>>> >>>> that
>>>> >>>> whole interaction.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Yes, page 247.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Perry Noid
>>>> >>>>> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I just finished reading that for the first time last week. Had
>>>> >>>>>> read
>>>> >>>>>> the Road and No Country, was underwhelmed, and was not expecting
>>>> >>>>>> to be wowed
>>>> >>>>>> like I was with Blood Meridian. I was expecting it to be another
>>>> >>>>>> over
>>>> >>>>>> praised novel that did not meet expectations but it far exceeded
>>>> >>>>>> mine.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> That *is* Blood Meridian right?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> ...They rode on. The horses trudged sullenly the alien ground
>>>> >>>>>>> and the
>>>> >>>>>>> round earth rolled beneath them silently milling the greater
>>>> >>>>>>> void wherein
>>>> >>>>>>> they were contained. In the neuter austerity of that terrain all
>>>> >>>>>>> phenomena
>>>> >>>>>>> were bequeathed a strange equality and no one thing nor spider
>>>> >>>>>>> nor stone nor
>>>> >>>>>>> blade of grass could put forth claim to precedence. The very
>>>> >>>>>>> clarity of
>>>> >>>>>>> these articles belied their familiarity, for the eye predicates
>>>> >>>>>>> the whole on
>>>> >>>>>>> some feature or part and here was nothing more luminous than
>>>> >>>>>>> another and
>>>> >>>>>>> nothing more enshadowed and in the optical democracy of such
>>>> >>>>>>> landscapes all
>>>> >>>>>>> preference is made whimsical and a man and a rock become endowed
>>>> >>>>>>> with
>>>> >>>>>>> unguessed kinship.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure some of you will recognize this...
>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
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>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >
>>
>>
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